edna 6 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I knew them through the magazines, I watched the cartoons on TV and heard their songs on the radio -not often- or some friend´s older brother/sister had some of their records. But believe me, they were not that popular out of the US and not often on TV shows in other countries. There was other kind of music by then -we´re talking 66/69- and for us, they made nice pop songs but we still prefered The Four Tops, The Beatles or The Byrds... Link to post Share on other sites
Wyld Card 5 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 No - They didn't write their own music or play their own instruments. Link to post Share on other sites
miamisammy29 4 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Nesmith and Tork did write several songs, and they did play their own instruments on tour. The Monkees played great ROCK N' ROLL. Anyone who says that they're not rock 'n' roll is completely off his/her rocker, man! Their music was very similar to many greats from the '60, including the Stones, the Beatles, the Kinks, Donovan, Dave Clark Five, Herman's Hermits, etc., etc., etc. And many of their songs have wicked guitar riffs, e.g.... I'm A Believer What Am I Doin' Hanging 'Round? For Pete's Sake (I'm Not Your) Stepping Stone Last Train To Clarksville Your Auntie Grizelda (and many others) However, IMO, I don't think they were around quite long enough to be considered Hall of Famers, coupled with the fact that they WERE actors, I have to vote NO. But they definitely are borderline, and if they ever were to make it into the Hall, I would have no qualms about it. PETER TORK RULES!! Link to post Share on other sites
RonJonSurfer 15 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 PETER TORK RULES!! No....., Sammy rules!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Jane 61 1 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 RJ....Don't fill his head with those thoughts...he will act up in detention later on!! And I think Mickey Dolenz RULES!! Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I really like Micky Dolenz' voice. I voted yes, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Jane 61 1 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I think he sings better than Davey!! Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 0 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Yes, I think so too. Link to post Share on other sites
phil 7 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I voted no. The Monkees were a hit making operation, but they were really a TV show. They had great songwriters working for them, Neil Diamond, Boyce & Hart, Carole King to name a few. Talented guys, but not Hall of Famers. What's next Josie & The Pussycats? Link to post Share on other sites
RonJonSurfer 15 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I know it's hard to read, but The Supremes made the Hall in 1988...they didn't write their songs, play instruments, etc....they sang other people's music.....what's the difference between them and the Monkees...the Monkees had a TV show. Where Did Our Love Go [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes Baby Love [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes Come See About Me [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes Stop! In the Name of Love [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes Back in My Arms Again [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes Nothing But Heartaches [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes I Hear a Symphony [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes My World Is Empty Without You [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes You Can't Hurry Love [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes You Keep Me Hangin' On [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes Love Is Here and Now You're Gone [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes The Happening [DVD] ... Frank DeVol, Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes Reflections [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, B. Holland The Supremes In and Out of Love [DVD] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes Love Child [DVD] ... R. Dean Taylor, Deke Richards, Pam Sawyer, Frank Wilson The Supremes Someday We'll Be Together [DVD] ... Johnny Bristol, Harvey Fuqua, Jackey Beavers The Supremes Baby Love [DVD][*][Multimedia Track] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes Stop! In the Name of Love [DVD][*] ... Lamont Dozier, Brian Holland, Edward Holland, Jr. The Supremes When the Lovelight Starts Shining Through His Eyes [DVD][*] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes Shining Through His Eyes [DVD][*] ... The Supremes My World Is Empty Without You [DVD][*] ... Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, Brian Holland The Supremes [untitled Track] ... Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Jane 61 1 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Exactly...not everyone write their own songs or plays their own instruments. Great example RJ! Link to post Share on other sites
_Laurie_ 11 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 I think,....no, I know RonJon Rules! Link to post Share on other sites
miamisammy29 4 Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Ronjon does rule. It's a proven fact. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Jane 61 1 Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Oh yes he is the ruler of all things...I keep telling him I will crown him! Link to post Share on other sites
RonJonSurfer 15 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Thanks for the unnecessary ego boost guys... Link to post Share on other sites
Shawna 1 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Sammy Link to post Share on other sites
Shawna 1 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 RonJon since you're both my heroes now, I had to pay you equal homage with your own posts. Link to post Share on other sites
Otokichi 9 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Speaking of studio acts, what of these loosely defined groups getting the R&R Hall of Fame nod? The Archies The Banana Splits Pebbles & Bambam (from "The Flintstones") Link to post Share on other sites
edna 6 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 As usual, RonJon is right... The Supremes didn´t write their songs nor play instruments. And their singer was the boss´ lover. But anyways, they inluenced pop music to some high degree. They were original. Maybe the trouble with The Monkees was all that story about them as being a commercial replica to The Beatles, trying to create a "Monkeymania", which was true at the beginning but then it turned out that they could make up nice records. They did play their instruments live and they made up amazing songs (doesn´t matter if they wrote their own of if some of them were written by excelelent songwriters) and they behaved like a real rock band, which they probably were and they could have demostrate it if they had lasted more than three or four years. Actually, they were good. I like them. But unfortunately every Monkees chapter in rocknroll history will start: "The Monkees were the first prefabricated group... " Link to post Share on other sites
RonJonSurfer 15 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 You're right Edna...perception is everything and the Monkees are perceived as comic book characters from a Hollywood TV show. My argument isn't really if The Monkees should be in the H of F...but with the reasons people give for keeping them out.....The method of distributing the product was 1) A massively popular TV show 2) Sell records based on the frenzy of point #1 3) market all kinds of Monkees products 4) tour...It worked and it worked well... Link to post Share on other sites
Skuff 0 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 "EWWWW, you like the Monkees?!? You know they don't even write their own songs...." They wrote some of their songs: Goin' Down Randy Scouse Git Tapioca Tundra You Told Me You Just May Be The One For Pete's Sake, etc I voted yes. Link to post Share on other sites
Shawna 1 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 and Girl I Knew Somewhere Joanne the Kind Of Girl I Could Love Listen To The Band Magnolia Simms Mary, Mary Papa Gene's Blues Zilch Sweet Young Thing Writing Wrongs I realize a lot of peeps see the Monkees as a fluff band who didn't do a bloody thing to move music forward, but there's a whole lot more to them than people give credit for. And a whole lot more behind the scenes stuff that hardly anyone noticed... they were pioneers in a lot of ways, groundbreakers, and if the Supremes can be considered rock and roll, so can these guys. 'nuff said. Link to post Share on other sites
OLD 55 6 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 It looks like I was wrong about Peter Tork ! I see he was a session musician before joining The Monkees. I still think Mike Nesmith was the real talent of the Group, though Mickey and Davy's vocals were excellent. The only other comment I'd like to make is that there are quite a few non Rock and Roll Performers in the R & R Hall Of Fame. Maybe that term is misleading ! That RonJon is pretty convincing, isn't he ? If ever I decide to murder somebody, I might have him as my Defence Counsel. Link to post Share on other sites
RonJonSurfer 15 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 I'm not a lawyer, but I play one whenever I can. Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Speaking of studio acts, what of these loosely defined groups getting the R&R Hall of Fame nod? The Archies The Banana Splits Pebbles & Bambam (from "The Flintstones") While it is fair to be comparative when debating the eligibility for entry into any Hall of Fame, the acts quoted above are not anywhere near comparable to The Monkees. A better comparison would be made to groups like Herman's Hermits; or The Lovin' Spoonful. Along with the Monkees, each of those groups had about the same amount of albums, hits and worldwide success. They all also share comparably a general aura of "feel good group" who are more known for entertaining their audiences than changing the audience's politics or challenging their beliefs. If Hermits or Spoonful make it into the Hall, Monkees can make an argument to be there as well. Link to post Share on other sites
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