Blue Fish Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Well, i belive in Jesus as my Lord and Master. So do all the different branches of the churches. i don't belive in seperateing the church, which its self is not a building or place but Christians as a whole. In the end, all Christians are headed towards the end goal, Jesus. Why should we lable ourselfs as anything other then followers of Christ? In Jesus there is no such thing as Catholic's or anything things else, there is only parts of his chruch, children who he loves more then himself. So I don't seperate myself into a religous box, and it only creates fights amonst Christians anyways. i think I've explained to the best of my ablitys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I´m not christian but I guess I would do the things my church would tell me if I was. What´s the point of being something if you don´t follow the rules? Am I the only non-christian around? Radhi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'm not christian either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 There are different ways of following the rules... some people are Christian just by denomination, me included, and don't follow the Church's rules, some follow them very stricly... and there are people in between too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Fish Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'm gonna shut up now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Why? I may not share your point of view, but I do like this discussion. Of course you're free to shut up if you want to, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I don't know what I am. Apart from what I was born as . I like the term probabilistic Atheist. You know - if you prove it, I'll believe it. but thanks for the explanation, Bloof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Fish Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 It's just that i get very passionate about Jesus. Very. And I tend to get into the whole...I'm Right Your Wrong which the wrong stance to take....I try to add to my flock as well. Sorry, I'll let you come in your own go time...if you wanna. free-will and all that jazz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Fish Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Ah. Levis. You are most welcome my love. Anytime. Apart from six and one o'clock in the evening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Fish Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 what the....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 What did I do? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I'm quite fine, thanks. Thank you for explaining, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 What did I do? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted May 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 If George Bush can claim to be a Christian, I don't see a problem with Alice Cooper doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 "Brutal Planet"- Alice Cooper We're spinning round on this ball of hate There's no parole, there's no great escape We're sentenced here until the end of days And then my brother there's a price to pay We're only human, we were born to die Without the benefit of reason why We live for pleasure - to be satisfied And now it's over there's no place to hide Why don't you, come down to It's such a brutal planet It's such an ugly world Why won't you, come down to "This world is such perfection" (What a sight) "It's just like paradise" (For my eyes) "A truly grand creation" (What a sight) "From up here it looks so nice" (For my eyes) It's such a brutal planet It's such a living hell It was a holy garden That's right where Adam fell It's where the bite was taken It's where we chose to sin It's where we first were naked This is where our death begins We took advice from that deceiving snake He said don't worry it's a piece of cake And sent us swimming in a burning lake Now we're abandoned here for heaven's sake Why don't you, come down to It's such a brutal planet It's such an ugly world Why won't you, come down to "This world is such perfection" (What a sight) "It's just like paradise" (For my eyes) "A truly grand creation" (What a sight) "From up here it looks so nice" (For my eyes) Here's where we keep the armies Here's where we write their names Here's where the money god is Here's our famous hall of shame Here's where we starve the hungry Here's where we cheat the poor Here's where we beat the children Here is where we pay the whore Why don't you, come down to It's such a brutal planet It's such an ugly world Why won't you, come down to "This world is such perfection" (What a sight) "It's just like paradise" (For my eyes) "A truly grand creation" (What a sight) "From up here it looks so nice" (For my eyes) Right here we stoned the prophets Built idols out of mud Right here we fed the lions Christian flesh and Christian blood Down here is where we hung ya Upon an ugly cross Over there we filled the ovens Right here the holocaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie_sane Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Got my Alice Cooper tickets today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLD 55 Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I'm seeing some of the nicest people on here saying they're not Christian. Maybe not in name, but by your politeness and tolerance of others - yep, you are Christians. And good for Alice Cooper for doing something postive to help people. That definitely qualifies him as a Christian; being a Churchgoer doesn't necessarily do so, although it can't hurt. And Ron (S2V) - what an excellent Post Unfortunately the Devil is alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 I agree Darryl, going to church and talking the talk" are not as important as your actions. My MIL was married to a man who never missed a Sunday at church, but all week long made her and his two sons miserable with verbal and sometimes physical abuse. Spirituality, God, whatever you call it, is in the way you live your life. Anyway, kudos to Alice Cooper, and I hope you have fun at the concert, Katie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Fish Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 What did I do? ? nahda. but the topic board is screwing with my head.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyguitar Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 (edited) It's just that i get very passionate about Jesus. I think this may be the problem...it is not an intelligent, experienced or 'thought out' relationship. It is a passion, with no more substance than a passion for the team jock or for Justin Timberlake...I find the whole discussion dismally sad. I still find it puzzling that, otherwise intelligent people, believe in supernatural powers, god, ghosts, afterlife etc. However, I have discovered that ridicule just hardens their perspective...so, now I just sit, perplexed and saddened at their idiocy and incapablity to accept that 'this is it'...nature is wonderful, life is what happens....and then we are gone. Get used to it. JMHO Edited May 11, 2007 by Guest couldn't spell 'ridicule'...shame really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel2Velvet Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Excuse me, John ... but the theory you just espoused seems to me to be the sad one. Why is hope for an afterlife seem so sad to you? This hope brings much needed stress relief to a great many people. When one says, "One day I will die and that will be it," life seems devoid of any meaning whatsoever. That is true sadness. I understand your feeling that faith seems to run contrary to intellect, but I feel the more one learns about it, the more nature points to an itelligent creator. I once wrote: Our brain is not who we are. Its function is to make us aware that We have a spirit. My wife, during childbirth, died of cardiac arrest and saw herself being worked on from an overhead vantage point. She then proceeded to travel "toward the light" but was told it was not her time and she returned to her body. This is not an isolated incident that only happened to my rational, intelligent, totally honest, non-Christian wife. To deny all the faith-inspiring supernatural incidents that have happened to millions of members of mankind down through history and say, "We live, we die, no flow, no purpose" to my way of thinking, requires much more faith than the belief that some Being, somewhere, cares how we treat that Being's creations. But, hey ... what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyguitar Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Excuse me, John ... but the theory you just espoused seems to me to be the sad one. Why is hope for an afterlife seem so sad to you? This hope brings much needed stress relief to a great many people. When one says, "One day I will die and that will be it," life seems devoid of any meaning whatsoever. That is true sadness. I understand your feeling that faith seems to run contrary to intellect, but I feel the more one learns about it, the more nature points to an itelligent creator. I once wrote: Our brain is not who we are. Its function is to make us aware that We have a spirit. My wife, during childbirth, died of cardiac arrest and saw herself being worked on from an overhead vantage point. She then proceeded to travel "toward the light" but was told it was not her time and she returned to her body. This is not an isolated incident that only happened to my rational, intelligent, totally honest, non-Christian wife. To deny all the faith-inspiring supernatural incidents that have happened to millions of members of mankind down through history and say, "We live, we die, no flow, no purpose" to my way of thinking, requires much more faith than the belief that some Being, somewhere, cares how we treat that Being's creations. But, hey ... what do I know? Well, on the basis of that reply, not a great deal about rational thought...and that last bit about 'no purpose' requiring more faith is just so asinine, I wont dignify it with a response. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annerr Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Who's Alice Cooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Alice Cooper is a rock star who became big in the 70's, and is credited with inventing "shock rock", which is why his Christianity may seem strange to some. I'm inclined to agree with S2V and Darryl (as I find I often am), but I view my Catholic religion as a private and solitary aspect of my life, so I will not argue the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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