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Alice Cooper - A Christian?


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Well Johnny, I think you're in for a pleasant surprise when you leave this world.

You sound like a good, caring family man, so I hope I meet you in Heaven, Mate - provided I get there. But not too soon. :)

I am a good caring family man...I have three great boys who are a credit to their parents, are honest, hardworking and good...and not a single one of them believes in....well, let's not go there. They are good boys and they love their fellow man, because that's the right thing to do, they don't need god to tell 'em why...let's leave it at that. :)

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But, hey ... what do I know? Well, on the basis of that reply, not a great deal about rational thought...and that last bit about 'no purpose' requiring more faith is just so asinine, I wont dignify it with a response. :crazy:

JMHO

Well, John, I'm glad one us maintained our dignity. ;)

I sometimes let loose my asinine, irrational dribble with casual regard to my non-evolved viewpoint and its arcane horizons.

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Ken, don't forget Linda Lovelace became a Christian after she was a Porn actress.

I can see certain similarities to 'Alice' there ! I think this was always going to lead to a semi -religious discussion after you used the word 'Christian' in your initial Post. I wasn't always as saintly as I am now, you know.

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I'm seeing some of the nicest people on here saying they're not Christian.

Maybe not in name, but by your politeness and tolerance of others - yep, you are Christians.

Darryl, I understand you mean "Christian" as someone who is a honest person. When I say I´m not Christian I mean I wasn´t baptised, never went to church and of course, I don´t believe in God. I might "live" as a Christian as I´m a good person (yes, I am... :shades: ), won´t do to others what i don´t want the others do to me and, bien entendu, was raised as a civilised, polite and respectful person. We live in a christianised society so in that sense, we all might be Christians. Though I´m the daughter of a jewish woman and a atheistic man and married to a catholic.

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edna sweetie, I should have said many people here who say they're not Christians, act as a Christian is supposed to act. If this keeps up, I'll get to be known as the Reverend of Songfacts (Rev for short). Pass the collection plate on please dear.

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It makes you cry when people don't believe? Don't you have any problems of your own in your life? :P

I have more then my fair share of problems, I have had more then my fair share too. It just makes me weep because I know where thay are going, I have read the warnings and seen it with my own eyes and it's not a nice place. It makes me cry because no matter how nice you are, if you don't belive in Jesus as Lord then your not going to heaven, and then theres only one place you can go...

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Why is hope for an afterlife seem so sad to you? This hope brings much needed stress relief to a great many people. When one says, "One day I will die and that will be it," life seems devoid of any meaning whatsoever. That is true sadness.

I had intended to sit this debate out. There is a time and a place for espousing our theological perspectives and I tend to think this isn't it...So, I hope that by the end of this, nobody will be any the wiser as to where I stand, theologically. :)

However, I would like to refute the notion that "acceptance of our mortality" necessarily equals "a life devoid of meaning or purpose". That seems to me a non-sequitur. The suspicion that our time on earth is finite and there may not be an afterlife is not per se a signal to down tools and give up all hope. On the contrary, might it not encourage us to seek and establish purpose through our life choices and actions, including: family, vocation, appreciation and creation of art/music/culture; the pursuit of "fulfilment"*, however that elusive mistress may be clothed?

(*On the understanding that fulfilment need not be a self-seeking pursuit, but may also be derived from giving pleasure or service to others)

"We live, we die, no flow, no purpose"
At no point can it be substantiated that acceptance of mortality intrinsically entails a rejection of the concepts of "flow" and "purpose". Life is/can or, (arguably) should be a voyage of self-discovery, involving some contemplation of our role in the overall scheme of things; our ability to reason, question and act accordingly does not hinge on our theological belief system. However small we are, we have a history and our lives make an imprint that is felt during our lifetimes and beyond. Absence of belief in a deity does not condemn one to a life of frustrated futility.

I understand and agree that "hope in an afterlife" does indeed bring stress relief to a great many people. This does not, in itself, justify belief in an afterlife, merely acknowledges a potential benefit of "hoping".

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Bloof, I sincerely appreciate the courage that you possess to proclaim faith and your desire to reach out to those you perceive as close to you by way of internet family, in order to help them acheive what you feel would be a better life, for the present and in the afterlife. Yours is a youthful exuburence that many times becomes dulled and jaded as one grows older and witnesses more of life that somehow takes the shine away. I know.

I share some thoughts with you here because I care. I care about the faith-filled, like you and others who have weighed in here, and care equally about the skeptic. I, too, have tried on many occasions to "convince" agnostics and atheists about the truths I have discovered that point to eternity bordered by a loving God. Invariably one tactic that NEVER produces positive results are neither the threat of a terrible eternity for non-believers nor the promise of a heavenly one, works on any level to move them. Oh, if a respected, educated, renowned figure speaks of these things, perhaps the atheist may turn his gaze for a moment, but usually out of curiosity of why that person believes that way, rather than how it may relate to their own immortality. But when someone like me or you, perceived to be no more than music junkies posting blather on the internet, espouse the concept that those who do not heed the word of God are in for a rude awakening a few seconds after their death, they merely roll their eyes and feel, "One of those people, again ...!" and couch themselves in the tried and true arguments they have learned over the years - just as we who have been through any organized sunday school program have learned our recitals and litanies if presented with facts that counter our beliefs.

I have argued many hours the validity of how nature points to a God, while the Atheist or Agnostic counter it points to evolution and not Biblical creation; and have come to the conclusion that the old adage is correct, "One never really wins an argument." In fact, I have found that Christians possess no greater strength of belief, are no more faith-to-cause-filled than Atheists. The Atheist merely replaces God with Time; another concept without proven existence that needed to be refined by man out of necessitiy. ("Well, how did the genetic coding of DNA strands get all sorted out by accident, Dad?" "Time, son. Lots and lots of time." "Oh .. thanks, Dad.") And the Pentateuch, written by Moses replaced by Darwin's Origin Of Species. As each subsequent book of the Bible builds upon its foundation, so too the Atheist's "bible" contain volumes of refining tomes built upon Darwin's preface. And though the Atheist says he is an independent thinker, he is steered by his own set of "ministers" and like-minded congregants. Weekday classrooms are analogous to sunday school, only the teachers are paid, in that case.

Bloof, I have found that Atheism/Agnosticism are beliefs that equate to faith. No amount of shaking of those trees will cause adherants to fall onto another way of thinking. Do people change? Certainly, as evidenced by the premise of this thread. How could someone as obviously carnal as Alice Cooper now proclaim Christianity as his own?? It is the power of the Holy Spirit. It says in the Bible that not one of we as human beings can save the soul of another person. It is ONLY by the mysterious working of God as attracted by those that seek Him. It is painful to watch our children fall down and bang their knees and chin while learning to walk or ride a bicycle; and yet we know and even allow that to happen. It is painful moreso to watch those we love ignore the signs around them that there is more to living than finding death. But, someday the sheep will pass to the right and the goats will column left ... it says that in the oldest organized manuscript known to mankind.

Why do some say Moses lied and Darwin got it right? I don't know. All I can do is show the creative love of God toward others and hope they notice. No condemnation, no threats, no haughtiness, no justification beyond the fact that I was scared and confounded, but now I feel and know; and what a great relief that is.

Be aware, Bloof; and let the goodness and innate kindness that escapes the animal kingdom and finds its seat in the human heart, guide you in your relationships with others. Try not to come across as "You will go to Hell if you don't believe like me," because that hardly ever works as a life preserver.

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There is a time and a place for espousing our theological perspectives and I tend to think this isn't it...

that's what I think too, and I agree with S2V - a theological discussion here won't change any opinion of anyone here...

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