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about 99% anyways...

Zut alors! Paul

How can you get to be 38 years old and understand so little about commerce?

Even independent labels don't operate as philanthropic enterprises. And artists that have the wherewithal to produce their own don't lose interest in selling records.

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'Most Popular' doesnt eqaute to 'best'

But the term corporate rock came about from the arena rock and stadium rock of the 70s. Corporate Rock means rock that is on a major label that is beign touted in the mainstream magazines and on mainstream radio--mainly because a parent company also owns the radio stations, the magazines, the cable tv stations, etc where the band is being touted.

Ah, so you're an indie fan?

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How many times are we going to beat this subject into the &*^%ing ground before we are all satisfied that no one is ever going to agree with each other?

I hate to say "I told you so" but ehh...........

22-05-06 12:54 AM - Post#230269

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Be advised folks, Wagemann is a messageboard antagonist, banned from several music forums;

Sound Opinions,

The Gear Page,

Bowlie.

As long as he is getting attention he is winning.

The best appraisal I have seen of him is he's "a Master baiter".

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Ah, so you're an indie fan?

Zut alors! Paul

How can you get to be 38 years old and understand so little about commerce?

Even independent labels don't operate as philanthropic enterprises. And artists that have the wherewithal to produce their own don't lose interest in selling records.

youre right, but they arent as bad as major labels. There are some indie lables that are more concerend about he music than the money. I'm not a fan of digital equipment, but one good thing about it is that it is making it less neccesary for an artist to have to be on a label if they want to make music. ProTools and such are becoming increasingly affordable so that kids can record music in their basements in the morning then post their songs on the internet for millions to hear that night. My hope is that labels will some day become obsolete.

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youre right, but they arent as bad as major labels. There are some indie lables that are more concerend about he music than the money. I'm not a fan of digital equipment, but one good thing about it is that it is making it less neccesary for an artist to have to be on a label if they want to make music. ProTools and such are becoming increasingly affordable so that kids can record music in their basements in the morning then post their songs on the internet for millions to hear that night. My hope is that labels will some day become obsolete.

How naive. That process already happens, it is called mySpace

and rather than making the corporates obsolete guess who bought it?

Rupert Murdoch's News Corps.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4695495.stm

You may argue that myspace is not a label etc but lookie here..........(they've already scored copyright and publishing privilages the moment you upload).

6# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com.

1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services...

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How naive. That process already happens, it is called mySpace

and rather than making the corporates obsolete guess who bought it?

Rupert Murdoch's News Corps.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4695495.stm

You may argue that myspace is not a label etc but lookie here..........(they've already scored copyright and publishing privilages the moment you upload).

6# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com.

1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services...

Still, its a step in the right direction. Murdoch does not have control over the artists like a major label mogal does...

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Still, its a step in the right direction. Murdoch does not have control over the artists like a major label mogal does...

It is even greater artist exploitation than has ever happened before.

The artists pay their own recording and production costs.

The artists effectively write and produce their own publicity.

The artists carry out their own street/web teaming by touting their band across mySpace and messageboards.

The 'Publisher/Distributor provides them with a small allocation on a servers hard drive. (which they can pull anytime, or apply fees to at a later date. All at their discretion).

The moment you upload, News Corps reap the benefits of the artists work by selling advertising space and potentially even using your compositions for free to do so.

Even if the artist 'fails' News Corps have maximised the companys miniscule investment.

You appear to have completely misread the direction this is going in.

Vinyl, tapes, cd's dvd's are/were all simple publishing mediums.

All had relatively high production costs and investment risks.

The corporates know a fantastic deal potential when they see it.

Let the artists meet those costs and risks.

Replace the physical production of media with 'next to zero cost' digital downloads.

Let the customer buy the storage media, print off the sleeves, etc.

Rake the income from advertising instead of 'record' sales.

This is no Nostradamus prediction, it is already happening.

In fact, in another thread we were discussing Microsoft about to launch track 'rental' software.

Sure we will get a corporate governed 'independent artists' illusion. but the quality control and artist development support will be history or the preserve of those with their own financial means.

The independents are not about to gun for the corporations, the corporations are swarming onto the independents turf.

Your view is akin to the thinking the corner shop is about to blow out Walmart. We know the reverse is true.

The past has gone Paul. Face up to reality.

You not liking it is not sufficient to make it go away.

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Let me see, if labels become obsolete, then there will be no publicity - How do you want people to get to know of a band? Word of mouth? Hah... you'd be lucky to sell 500 albums and for that reason CD prices will shoot up and we're back to another thread. "Why don't we use vinyl, maybe?"

Of course, you need someone to make those CD's too.

And good God, man... I live in INDIA... can you imagine my musical deprivation? I'd have nothing to live for! Do you want me to DIE?

Sorry, Mr. Mitty, I don't really want to provoke him any further, but I'm a bit of a masochist.

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It is even greater artist exploitation than has ever happened before.

The artists pay their own recording and production costs.

The artists effectively write and produce their own publicity.

The artists carry out their own street/web teaming by touting their band across mySpace and messageboards.

The 'Publisher/Distributor provides them with a small allocation on a servers hard drive. (which they can pull anytime, or apply fees to at a later date. All at their discretion).

The moment you upload, News Corps reap the benefits of the artists work by selling advertising space and potentially even using your compositions for free to do so.

Even if the artist 'fails' News Corps have maximised the companys miniscule investment.

You appear to have completely misread the direction this is going in.

Vinyl, tapes, cd's dvd's are/were all simple publishing mediums.

All had relatively high production costs and investment risks.

The corporates know a fantastic deal potential when they see it.

Let the artists meet those costs and risks.

Replace the physical production of media with 'next to zero cost' digital downloads.

Let the customer buy the storage media, print off the sleeves, etc.

Rake the income from advertising instead of 'record' sales.

This is no Nostradamus prediction, it is already happening.

In fact, in another thread we were discussing Microsoft about to launch track 'rental' software.

Sure we will get a corporate governed 'independent artists' illusion. but the quality control and artist development support will be history or the preserve of those with their own financial means.

The independents are not about to gun for the corporations, the corporations are swarming onto the independents turf.

Your view is akin to the thinking the corner shop is about to blow out Walmart. We know the reverse is true.

The past has gone Paul. Face up to reality.

You not liking it is not sufficient to make it go away.

I dont know what that last comment means. I also dont know why you assume MySPace is the only place artists can post their songs. And even if ot were, the MySpce people have no say over what the artists do. They dont even ever mmet the artists. MaySpace si simply replacing the Dsitribution step in the artitst-to-fan process. The artists has moe control because he is paying for the production himself. He is getting his music accessed by millions (basically for free) and he is able to network (again basically for free).

These are all steps in the right direction and will hopefully make the record labels obsolete.

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Let me see, if labels become obsolete, then there will be no publicity - How do you want people to get to know of a band? Word of mouth? Hah... you'd be lucky to sell 500 albums and for that reason CD prices will shoot up and we're back to another thread. "Why don't we use vinyl, maybe?"

Of course, you need someone to make those CD's too.

And good God, man... I live in INDIA... can you imagine my musical deprivation? I'd have nothing to live for! Do you want me to DIE?

Sorry, Mr. Mitty, I don't really want to provoke him any further, but I'm a bit of a masochist.

Isnt it much easier to download music than to find it on CD in India?

As for word of mouth, that will sell some, but there are also zines that review independent artists and then ofcourse there is internet message boards.

The good thing about the internet is if you do a little diggin you can find communitees that will turn you on to good music. People like you will be recommending music for you to listen to instead of some corporate marketing team that is only interested in making a buck...

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Isnt it much easier to download music than to find it on CD in India?

As for word of mouth, that will sell some, but there are also zines that review independent artists and then ofcourse there is internet message boards.

Actually it´s easier to go to a shop and buy it. It´s not cheaper but it´s easier. You cannot find all you want in the web... I get some of my music in the shops, some other in the web, some other through friends, but I´m glad the record industry exists, I would have been lost without it...

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Actually it´s easier to go to a shop and buy it. It´s not cheaper but it´s easier. You cannot find all you want in the web... I get some of my music in the shops, some other in the web, some other through friends, but I´m glad the record industry exists, I would have been lost without it...

Tell me what you're looking for and I bet I can tell you how to get it online for free...

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I dont know what that last comment means. I also dont know why you assume MySPace is the only place artists can post their songs. And even if ot were, the MySpce people have no say over what the artists do. They dont even ever mmet the artists. MaySpace si simply replacing the Dsitribution step in the artitst-to-fan process. The artists has moe control because he is paying for the production himself. He is getting his music accessed by millions (basically for free) and he is able to network (again basically for free).

These are all steps in the right direction and will hopefully make the record labels obsolete.

n.b.

All quotes are (sic)

Point for point.

(1) "I dont know what that last comment means."

I am so very sure you do.

(2) "I also dont know why you assume MySPace is the only place artists can post their songs."

Just where did I state that mySpace was the only place?

It is by far the most successful 'legitimate' site and therefor the model adopted by clones and the best indicator for the future.

(3) "the MySpce people have no say over what the artists do. "

They certainly do. They can remove them from the service anytime they like.

(4) "They dont even ever mmet the artists.

Why do they need to meet them?

By the artists posting material on their service they signed the contract. The company gets all they need from them. More figures to sell advertising with and publishing privilages to use the artists material.

(5) "MaySpace si simply replacing the Dsitribution step in the artitst-to-fan process."

Yes, exactly what I said. It replaces the traditional distribution media, vinyl, cd's, tapes etc.

(6) "The artists has moe control because he is paying for the production himself."

More control but with no access to resources, equipment and professional guidance.

(7) "He is getting his music accessed by millions (basically for free) and he is able to network (again basically for free)."

Don't be silly. First the 'millions' need to know they are there.

Much easier if you put the band/material on tv, in music mags, billboards etc.

All of which requires significant financial investment.

(8) "These are all steps in the right direction and will hopefully make the record labels obsolete."

Do you seriously believe the music branch of the entertainment industry is anywhere close to considering striking camp anytime soon?

They are; refining, adapting, consolidating, commisioning projections and feasibility studies as they have always done.

That is how they got to be multi-national corporations in the first place.

All we are witnessing at the moment is a transitional stage.

Charts are already changing to reflect downloads for example.

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You harp on about some fictitional era, (usually around the Beatles), where everything was idyllic in the music business.

You dislike digital media and prefer vinyl

but not enough to stop you freeloading mp3's?

You hark for a time that never was!

It is complete and utter pie in the sky nonsense.

"Take a hike"?

Are you a moderator here now?

Care to give tangible examples of the corporations being on the run. This independents killing off the corporates trend you see?

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You harp on about some fictitional era, (usually around the Beatles), where everything was idyllic in the music business.

You dislike digital media and prefer vinyl

but not enough to stop you freeloading mp3's?

You hark for a time that never was!

It is complete and utter pie in the sky nonsense.

"Take a hike"?

Are you a moderator here now?

Care to give tangible examples of the corporations being on the run. This independents killing off the corporates trend you see?

First of all: Dont hate me because I'm beautiful.

Secondly, what on God's green earth are you talking about?

Third...uh, um, your mother wears army boots...

Now Good day sir!

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I am beginning to think that Walter Mitty and PEW are the same person. Maybe WM is PEW's alter ego? Just a thought, you never see them in the room at the same time....

Hmm, interesting. We dont ever see them in the same room together, do we?

Actually that's because Mitty is my stalker. If youve never had a stalker before, I highly recommend it. They go around following you everywhere, trying to pester you. The fact thaty they have no life of their own is kind of sad, so you jsut sorta play along and throw them a little Scoobie-snak every so often and pat them on the head, and they're pretty harmless. Unless they are holding a copy of the Cather in the Rye. In which case: RRRRRRRUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!

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I don't hate you.

I often ponder what makes a man of your years seek attention to the degree you do, but I don't hate someone who is nothing more than a box of text to me.

You do tend to pontificate from a position of ignorance though and if a discussion board is about anything, it is surely about challenging such sermons and putting an alternate view out there.

I have attempted to support my viewpoint. I asked you a question to give you the opportunity to support yours.

Unsurprisingly, you did not do so.

You went for the distraction.

A further question if you would care to reply?

Why are you so dismissive of those younger than you? The "teeny-boppers".

Many a teenager has humbled me with their specialist knowledge, understanding or expertise on a variety of subjects.

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Isnt it much easier to download music than to find it on CD in India?

As for word of mouth, that will sell some, but there are also zines that review independent artists and then ofcourse there is internet message boards.

The good thing about the internet is if you do a little diggin you can find communitees that will turn you on to good music. People like you will be recommending music for you to listen to instead of some corporate marketing team that is only interested in making a buck...

#1 Free downloads are possible but a) illegal B) time-consuming c) not as satisfying as owning the album

#2 Legal downloads require payment via credit card. I don't HAVE a credit card!!! I am not a CEO and neither are my parents

#3 It IS easier to look for and find a CD

#4 In order to download you need to know what you are looking for, for which we need publicity which needs major MULTINATIONAL record labels

I have roughly as many albums (maybe more) than songs in my iPod. If I hear a song I like and can't find the album, I download it in anticipation of when I DO get the album. This is also the point where the much despised MTV... or rather, Vh1 comes in handy.

As for message boards... you mean like this one? huh...when I came here, I already knew what I liked and built up from there. If I don't get to hear of my bands through any of these reviews (because the magazines in which they appear are obviously not going to be found here), then how am I going to know what I like?

So I don't think it's that bad. Corporate rock, labels etc are necessary... they must be, because all bands have a label. Some people make their own. Perhaps you'd like to listen to 'indie' rapper P. Diddy who has his own label in Bad Boy Records?

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