Farin Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I know this has been said hundreds of times before, but all generalizations are always a bad idea... you can't go around saying "the music of today isn't good", because there is no "The" music of today, there's good and bad, just like in the 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s and every decade before that... a possible difference is that since we are now in the middle of it we simply notice it more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 "all generalizations are always a bad idea..." is an example of irony at work. Today's music ranges from rap and r&B to country to pop to electronic to folk to indie to alternative to insert genre and subgenre of music. Now, if one were to take a sample from each one of those, it's a whole lotta crap. I know there are exceptions to the rule, but nowadays that's getting rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 "all generalizations are always a bad idea..." is an example of irony at work. why... thanks for noticing you can read more useful hints here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars88 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 My daughter has Britney Spears' Piece of Me and a song by Miley Cyrus playing on repeat. It makes me want to bash my head against the wall. BTW, she hates my taste in music, even though she's been exposed to it all her life. Am I going to learn 20 years from now, that all the rap and pap is GOOD, and that I was hopelessly unenlightened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I'm in no way an expert on that matter, but I think it could be that your daughter hates your music simply because it is YOUR music (think teenage rebellion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars88 Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 I think you are right...if I say it is white, she will say it is black! I appreciate the lyrics of a song, plus the music of course. In other words, the craft of songwriting needs to be evident, not just a phrase or two followed by "baby, baby"...For a lot of the younger set, it seems that the "beat" is more important; and that they can readily dance to the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 well, yes that's sadly true but in that regard it's really no different to the early 60s Beat generation or Disco in the 70s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 In the name of all that is good and holy, do NOT judge modern music by Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Pa Posted February 6, 2008 Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I just read this entire thread (including the initial article in full). Now after all the posts that have been made seemed to wonder from one point to another, It seems that for the most part alot of you have gotten off the initial subject ( which was how the record industry treats the artist). What it comes down to, is the lable is out to make as big a profit as possable in the shortest period of time, at the very least initial investment. While at the same time retaining all rights to the material produced by the artist, along with full control over the artistic expression of the artist(s). They pull the strings, and if you dance the right way they just cut them, and away you fall ( with no chute ). Back in the 60's and 70's, certain bands had the power to dictate to the lables. They were the "super groups" IE, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, etc. Those bands pretty much wrote there own ticket. But the lables make sure that dosn't happen today. The big lables own (or atleast have a great deal of control) of most of the radio stations in the US. And pretty much call the shots as far as to what they want played, and when. I have been approached by these A/R clowns on several occasions years ago. I was lucky enough to be able to "liberate" copies of the aggrements and take them to a lawyer friend for review. Nothing was ever signed. They were written as if you would be obligated to turn your first born child over to them with no hope of recovery. I know thats a strange way to say it, but that how it was explained to me. I have played in bands, and worked in studios doing engineering and mix downs etc, for about 38 years. I have had several very talented singers do backup work for us, and helped them to copywright there own material before some big lable snake came along and sucked it up right out from underneath them. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2008 I just read this entire thread (including the initial article in full). Now after all the posts that have been made seemed to wonder from one point to another, It seems that for the most part alot of you have gotten off the initial subject that happens quite a lot here... you get used to it but thank you for going back to the original matter of things, as unpleasant as they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I feel like Bitter Almonds is a bit silly and doesn't quite realize what he's talking about, but he is a good writer and he is able to convince people that he does know what he's talking about. Just my thoughts on the issue. Anyways. That article was depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Baloni Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I feel like Bitter Almonds is a bit silly and doesn't quite realize what he's talking about, but he is a good writer and he is able to convince people that he does know what he's talking about. Didn't convince me. Yeah, that definitely was depressing. If anybody had any dreams of making it big with a band, that article will just about crush 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Thus, my alluding to "The Allegory Of The Cave" Again, since the music of today sucks - totally - I don't feel the least bit depressed about Albini's comment on how they're getting jipped. Think about it, "OH NOES!!!1~ THE KILLERS, THE KLAXONS, MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE, THE BRAVERY ARE GETTING JIPPED IN THE INDUSTRY!" Is this something I'm really gonna feel bad about? There's more where that bland, crappy music came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Well, in that regard I definitely agree with you. I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the best bands today try to remain relatively uninvolved with record labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Baloni Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Hey, I happen to like The Killers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hey, I happen to like The Killers! My condolences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Baloni Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 It's a bad idea to limit yourself musically. The Killers have a lot of good music. And you can't use the McDonalds argument on me, because I listen to everything from Sun Ra to The Doors to Ugly Kid Joe to Air. So I've been exposed to just about everything music has to offer, and I still appreciate what you say "totally sucks." That being said, I know a few people in some local bands who have been talking with Drive Thru records lately. I hope they don't get screwed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 I don't limit myself at all. I still buy and listen to some of that trash. It's just not up to par even if I were to refer to them as "mediocre." The killers? 25 years too late. That sound has been worn out by 1983. Can they come up with a trademark sound of their own? Nope. Can they give their audience something else other than New Wave? Nope. Can they attach to a more recent movement to bring it to life? Nope. Can they be more versatile, even? Nope. Within the same grouping of hacks who are attempting to capitalise on the Nu Wave movement, they rank below the likes of The Faint, Solex, British Sea Power, Ladytron (one-trick pony), Franz Ferdinand and Interpol (*shudder*), et al. Compared to the 80s New Wave and New Romantic styles, Nu Wave is bland and tasteless - boring. Most of the Nu Wave movement, which includes the killers, possess the same novelty as New Coke. It only serves to accentuate how much much better the original formula is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Baloni Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 You gotta loosen up there, buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ombre Vivante Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Sorry I had to be the one to break it to ya, but the killers suck. I wouldn't lose any sleep over the notion that they may face the fate as scribed by Mr. Albini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Baloni Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Sorry I had to be the one to break it to you, but The Killers most definitely kick ass. Just take some time to let that soak in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 The Killers are alright I suppose. Nothing too great nothing too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 You're being way too generous, Batman It's a well-known fact the killers' songs totally blow. It's, like, "Man, what trite and contrived and redundant crappy song are they gonna come up with next? I can hardly sustain my apathy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Baloni Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Really? It's sounded pretty sustained for the past 4 or 5 posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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