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"Touch" & "Sweetest Victory"

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OK all you Rocky IV soundtrack fans:

1. Who were the members of Touch, credited with performing the song Sweetest Victory on the soundtrack? [NOTE: Marq Torien (same guy from the Bullet Boys perhaps?) is credited with performing the song in the film's end credits...NOT Touch].

2. Who has a correct and complete set of lyrics for this song? I am only missing one line in the song and what's out there on every single lyric web site is incorrect for one or more of the lines in the song.

I've contacted Marq and Jake Hooker (producer) but neither will respond (imagine that!), only adding to the mystery.

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Brett-

It looks like Duane Hitchings wrote that song with Jake Hooker. A while ago, Duane told us about writing Young Turks, so we can ask him about Sweetest Victory if you'd like (can't promise a response). Can you tell us the specific lyric you're missing and if there's anything else you'd like to know about the song?

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Carl,

Thanks for the offer!

Here's what I've deciphered after many, many listens to the song (not saying I'm 100% correct, but should be pretty close). The missing line in ????'s is what I'm after, but will certainly take any other corrections Duane or anyone else here can provide.

Sweetest Victory

The deepest cut that can be healed

By the gun or by the sword

It’s hoped that you can turn yourself

?????

The cold sweat sticks to your heart

Your mouth gets drier and drier

The battle inside wages on

Your pulse races higher and higher

Chorus:

The sweetest victory

I love you more than life itself

The sweetest victory

You give me strength to know myself

Oh sweet victory

My soul is yours and the glory is mine

The sweetest victory

The bright-light stars will always shine

The truth, like nails, rip me up

I can make it disappear

Time to forget has passed me by

There’s no place to hide my fear

Hate and pain fill me up

Every minute takes longer and longer

A bead of sweat costs drops of blood

Make me stronger and stronger

Chorus

The cold sweat sticks to your heart

Your mouth gets drier and drier

The battle inside wages on

Your pulse races higher and higher

Wooh, wooh, I love you more than life itself

Yeah, yeah, yeah

You give me strength to know myself

The sweetest victory

My soul is yours

The glory is mine

The sweetest victory

The bright-light stars will always shine

The sweetest victory

Yeah, I love you more than life itself

The sweetest victory

You give me strength to know myself

Oh sweet victory

My soul is yours

The glory is mine

The sweetest victory

The bright-light stars will always shine

The sweetest victory

Will always shine

The sweetest victory

aaah, aaah, aaah

The sweetest victory

I know Stallone hired Touch for the song, but really would like to know more about them (i.e., a one-hit wonder?, a studio band for this song only?, members?, etc.)

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I googled and found many sites where you can find those lyrics... :P

Here's the line missing, according to one of those sites:

Deepest cut that can be healed

By the gun...or by the sword:

It's hope that you can turn yourself

Outside at the end of the war

The cold sweat sticks...to your heart.

full lyrics.

Touch - The Sweetest Victory

Deepest cut that can be healed

By the gun...or by the sword:

It's hope that you can turn yourself

Outside at the end of the war

The cold sweat sticks...to your heart.

Your mouth gets drier and drier.

The battle inside rages on.

Your pulse races higher and higher.

CHORUS

Sweetest victory; I love you more than life itself.

Sweetest victory; you give me strength to know myself.

Oh, sweet victory; my soul is yours and the glory is mine.

Sweetest victory; the far-off stars will always shine.

The toothlike nails rip me up.

I can make it disappear.

Time to forget has passed me by.

There's no place to hide my fear.

Hate and pain filled me up.

Every minute takes longer and longer.

I bead of sweat 'cause drops of blood

Makes me stronger and stronger.

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Yes, I've also seen those lyrics, but not sure of that missing line still...gotta listen some more.

The line below in red makes no sense; mine sounds better.

I googled and found many sites where you can find those lyrics... :P

Here's the line missing, according to one of those sites:

Deepest cut that can be healed

By the gun...or by the sword:

It's hope that you can turn yourself

Outside at the end of the war

The cold sweat sticks...to your heart.

full lyrics.

Touch - The Sweetest Victory

Deepest cut that can be healed

By the gun...or by the sword:

It's hope that you can turn yourself

Outside at the end of the war

The cold sweat sticks...to your heart.

Your mouth gets drier and drier.

The battle inside rages on.

Your pulse races higher and higher.

CHORUS

Sweetest victory; I love you more than life itself.

Sweetest victory; you give me strength to know myself.

Oh, sweet victory; my soul is yours and the glory is mine.

Sweetest victory; the far-off stars will always shine.

The toothlike nails rip me up.

I can make it disappear.

Time to forget has passed me by.

There's no place to hide my fear.

Hate and pain filled me up.

Every minute takes longer and longer.

I bead of sweat 'cause drops of bloodMakes me stronger and stronger.

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According to another site, the last two lines go:

I bead of sweat 'cause drops of blood

Makes me stronger and stronger.

As for the rest of the lyrics, just google and you'll find ten, twenty or more sites witht them...

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According to another site, the last two lines go:

I bead of sweat 'cause drops of blood

As for the rest of the lyrics, just google and you'll find ten, twenty or more sites witht them...

...and that part in red makes sense to you?! If so, please explain...it's not even a legitimate sentence.

That's exactly why I don't put much confidence in all of those lyrics sites; they are usually wrong.

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Well, I guess it might be "I (drop) bead (s) of sweat 'cause drops of blood make me stronger..." in a poetic way, like he's sweating blood cause blood makes him stronger. As if he was sweating blood instead of sweat...

I can't explain what that line exactly means but there are many lines in rock which don't make that much sense so far... :cool:

...besides, English is actually my fourth language (I am French and spoke Spanish all my life, and we speak Russian at home...) so I might be missing the point too... :)

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Okay, gang, I just listened to the Youtube of this song, and the line in question sounds like it could actually be:

"I bleed of sweat, 'cause drops of blood

make me stronger and stronger." Which makes sense.

OR

"A bead of sweat cause drops of blood" (the sweat is the cause of the blood) which also makes sense.

:beatnik:

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I still hear it as:

A bead of sweat costs drops of blood

Make(s) me stronger and stronger

Oh well, I guess unless/until we ever hear back from someone "in the know" it shall remain a mystery.

Anyone care to dig into the mystery of "Touch", the group that sang it? And why is Marq Torien (of the Bulletboys) credited with the song in the end credits of the movie rather than "Touch"?

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I know Stallone hired Touch for the song, but really would like to know more about them (i.e., a one-hit wonder?, a studio band for this song only?, members?, etc.)

If you're sure of that information, then it's possible that Marq Torien sang the vocals for the movie, but the cut included on the soundtrack was performed by Touch. That happens quite a lot, in my experience (hearing a song while watching the movie, then buying the soundtrack and it'll be a different cut). This is a link to a Marq Torien interview. I didn't listen to it, but one of the comments someone left states that he did sing "The Sweetest Victory" live in the movie.

The link that Edna gave for Wiki has some information on the band that includes nothing about Marq Torien, but he's evidently been around the block with the glam metal bands of the '80s, including playing for Ratt for 4 months at one point.

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...besides, English is actually my fourth language (I am French and spoke Spanish all my life, and we speak Russian at home...) so I might be missing the point too... :)

That's nice :) How come you speak Russian @ home?

Sorry for the off-topic but i got curious :)

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