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If it came down to Lukas and dillana, then there was no choice. I'd have chosen "dark horse" over any of them. I still think he had the chops to win.

Speaking of Japan... "The Art Of Parties," "Ghosts," and "Talking Drum." All from their last album, Tin Drum. Lemme add some Roxy Music and David Bowie into the mix by listing "More Than This" and "The Man Who Sold The World." I'd also like to say "Words" by F.R. David (since it is the best song ever made), but that's mainly the nostalgia talkin'.

Yes. Japan shares more in common with Roxy Music and David Bowie than Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet share in common with Japan. Japan went through the whole circle of Hell and back, musicwise. They had humble beginnings as a Glam Rock band, which strangely resembled a proto-Guns 'N Roses. Two albums later, they got Giorgio Moroder to produce their musak and they cut some Disco(!). Hahaha. I think it was David Sylvian who shouted at an audience at a concert, "And now, here's one of the worst singles in music history!" And then he sang "Life In Tokyo" or "European Son," one of those two. With the album Quiet Life, though, it might not have been apparent at the time it was released, but they struck pay-dirt with it. I cannot, for the life of me, name a "New Romantic" album that sounds like Quiet Life that came before it. Sure, The Human League and OMD were in the scene as well, so was Ultravox!. But their sound and look was still in the works (heck, with Ultravox!, it was completely re-arranged). I don't know where I read this, but before Duran Duran was about to form and record songs, Japan's management was asked if they would take the reins to get D2 launched. They declined, of course. By 1982, Japan had achieved all it could artistically and, combined with inner-conflicts, they disbanded. The unfortunate thing is that, while being the pioneers of the genre, they never got the recognition they deserved (you never hear them getting any airplay in "flashback hours" in any public radio stations nowadays and very few North American 80s compilations include a song by them).

Yep, I'm thinking power supply. You could try to see if there is any overheating as well that could be causing it to shut off and freeze.

"Ecstasy" by NewOrder from the album Power, Corruption And Lies.

If you liked that movie, you might be interested in Steven Soderbergh's Solaris, starring George Clooney. If you're seeking a 3-hour borefest on the same thing, then watch Andrei Tarkovsky's Solaris. Solaris (Soderbergh): http://imdb.com/title/tt0307479/ Solaris (Tarkovsky): http://imdb.com/title/tt0069293/

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That's actually pretty good because the media circus loves to take on celebrity children for a ride. It's very sad what happened.

You keep reading into what I write however you see fit. I've already more than explained myself about it.

Chad Everett got no respect at The Bahamas.

KISS is a Rock take on Kabuki Theatre. Who made that comparison? Was it Gene Simmons?

Haha. Your "arguments" won't be missed, Malakin.

I don't argue, I just say. If I am in doubt, I'll ask around or read more about it. I don't doubt Echo And The Bunnymen sound like The Doors, nor do I doubt they are prominent figures of the 80s New Wave scene.

There are so many I have to go with what instantly to mind: "Adagio in G Minor (Giazotto)": An arrangement attributed to Albinoni It's very sad, very moving... and very depressing. I seldom listen to it.

What about Trey Parker's "America, **** YEAH!"?

Where ever did you get the notion I am "arguing" about these points? I don't argue, I tell. Arguing reeks of persuasion and dissuasion. Not once, have I told anyone here what they should and should not like. Your analogy falls flat, guy. You can call yourself anything you want. I never presumed anything about you, as opposed to a few posters who have done so with me. Let me frame this subject the way you're approaching this: Let's compare bands that were huge innovators and carved a niche in Rock 'N Roll history. That pretty much leaves us with 20 something bands in the grand scheme of this narrow definition. So, then, who ARE The Doors comparable to? Nobody. The Beatles? Nobody. The Beach Boys? Nobody. Elvis? Nobody. Pink Floyd? Nobody. David Bowie? Nobody. We're basically left with the "top 25 bands" from about.com and nobody who subsequently came afterwards to compare them with, since, after all, these bands had the misfortune to only have "so-called hit songs." Heck, at this rate, we might as well throw out New Wave altogether since it is only rife with so-called hit songs and did not carve a niche in Rock 'N Roll history (how many New Wave artists made it to the Hall Of Fame?). ***Edit: Here's a minor reference to Post Punk/New Wave from AMG: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2636 Here are their top artists: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2636~T1 Echo And The Bunnymen are near the top... Funny that you say I make "blanket" statements. Isn't a "generation" a blanket statement as well? Blanket statements are a way to discuss things in this topic. Makes sense to me, since that's how the other posters who made band comparisons discussed their ideas.

I never stated The Doors were less popular, less talented, or had less impact on a global scale, so, again, you are attempting to make a warped perspective and claim it to be mine. I think all I did was say that both bands' songs are recognised by music fanatics and radio listeners and that, at one time, EATB did get more airplay than The Doors not only in their respective target markets, but in other places, which is obvious since they had hit singles in that time. Actually, this would make sense in any music scene for any band that had/has a hit song (for example: I turn on the television and there's more chances of seeing Franz Ferdinand than The Doors).

Yes, and that would've been the 80s in markets where there is no radio format that can be equated to the UK, Western Europe, and North America, which you are trying really really really hard to fit the round peg into the square one, so to speak. Suffice to say, some were lucky to get MTV around 1985, years after it premiered in both sides of the pond. If you can find a "Classic Rock" (Rock in English language, mind you) station anywhere in Central and South America from the 80s, you win the Internet. At this point, I can tell you we heard more Iron Maiden and Van Halen than The Doors in Latin America during the 80s.

Lead singer of Berlin. She still tours as "Berlin," but it's only Terri Nunn. Duran Duran never split up. Band members did leave and at one time there were only two original members in the line-up (with Warren Cucurullo, of Berlin, filling in as a third). Define "considerable length of time." D2 has been active, even if their albums have been shoddy at best from time to time. They never left the scene and they recently toured promoting their new album the same way DeMode has. Duran Duran Duran Duran discography ABC never broke up either and they recently toured promoting their new album. ABC discography Making the same guesses I have. I'd venture to guess there are some who won't know either band. Man, I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's hilarious - that end part really adds a zing! But, yeah, I understood your previous point about being innovative and THEN making the claim that they are that generation's so and so. I told you already (twice I think!): It's not how I approached this game. All I look for is similarity in sound and technique, which already means they're not breaking any new ground. Heck, Echo could be a band playing at the local pub without a chance for a record deal for all I care. As long as they share a similar sound, I'll make the comparison.

Gotcha. That's really poor/bad wording on my account. A music "fanatic," to me, collects music. I'd venture to say people who collect music, know their song facts, frequent music boards, etc. know about both bands. Whereas, the casual listener will know either one. Older listener might only know The Doors. Younger listerners might know both. Those in between might know both. All of them without the benefit of not owning any of their albums.

2. I can see where the confusion arises. I'm not very good at conveying something directly, so you'll have to pardon me. I think I said, "Hit single for single Echo can match The Doors in recognition." I'm venturing to guess that your casual radio listener has heard 5 or 6 songs by The Doors and knows them well enough to say they're by The Doors/Jim Morrisson. I'm also venturing to guess that a casual listener, the kind who'd tune into KROQ (Modern Rock), KLOS (Classic Rock), etc., will know the hit singles that Echo made in the 80s. Years back, Donnie Darko premiered and in its song collection they featured "The Killing Moon." You think young people nowadays, who happen to list Donnie Darko as one of their all-time favourite films, would ignore that song? Even Tears For Fears got famous off the cover of one of their tunes, if only briefly.

lol @ substantiating a 'wrong' position. What a ludicrous suggestion. Why would I discuss something, which I know to be right, in terms of it being wrong? Guy, you need to take your own statement and "substantiate" it for yourself. And lol @ your signature. Apparently, you misread my posts as, "The Doors are less famous than Echo And The Bunnymen." Substantiate that with my own words. I, too, have no problem with others being wrong, or even myself. Maybe I was high when I wrote "The Doors are less famous than Echo And The Bunnymen"; find that direct quote using my words in context. Otherwise, you are attempting to substantiate a wrong position - and that comes as no surprise since the suggestion sprang from you.

1. I gravitate more towards the notion that a band remains important if they're productive in terms of cutting new music and touring. How many New Wave bands are still around today? I can name a bunch (i.e. Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, ABC, Terri Nunn), but I can name ten times that number who are now defunct, gone, finito - died in the 80s with the rest of the stereotypes of "weird haircuts and shiny suits." You bet I think Def Leppard are relevant now, just as any other Rock band from that era that tours and makes new albums. The more a band or musician is out there, the less they have to rely on their 15 minutes of fame to propel them in the collective pop cultural psyche. john lennon has been dead for 25 years, but he was around making music for 20 years prior. That's pretty hard forget, as opposed to 4 or 5 years together and making 6 to 7 famous singles. 2. There will be folks who will know one and not the other and vice versa. Heck, people know the songs "Bizarre Love Triangle," "True Faith," and "Blue Monday" and can't name you the song and/or the band who made them. It still doesn't take away from the fact your casual listeners have heard "Light My Fire" often and have heard "The Killing Moon" as well.