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I think it might make a difference if rank hypocrisy is involved, or there is a massive deficit between "public image" and "private behaviour". If you're up front about being a total Miles Hunt, then your misdemeanours are more forgiveable. However there is what I call "The Max Bygraves Syndrome" As a child I became familiar with Max through his appearances as a guest on "Blankety-Blank" or "Celebrity Squares", he always seemed a cheeky chirpy chappy, a loveable all-round family entertainer, etc.; the grandpa you wished you had. One day a few years back a friend of mine mentioned that her mother had worked at Ronnie Scotts Jazz Emporium back in the 1950s and had "a few tales to tell". Apparently, Max - a club "regular"- regularly left the club in the company of "ladies of the night", whom he would frequently give "a right battering" (not a jocular euphemism; I mean he would deliberately occasion bodily harm upon them, against their will), following his "paid-for pleasure". After gaining this insight, suffice to say that I now hear "You Need Hands " from a very different perspective. Now....imagine if it were Thom Yorke instead of Max Bygraves, who liked beating the living crap out of "cheap sluts" ....or that Bono Vox liked nothing better than to snort a barrowload of Colombian Nasal Vim straight off Peaches Geldof's ass.... or that Chris Martin's idea of fun were to go careering round Hampstead in his 4x4 threatening to skittle school-kids and pensioners off the pavements, while inviting drivers of smaller (more environmentally friendly) vehicles to "swivel on this!". These scenarios are fictitious, of course (some more far-fetched than others: I mean...Bono..cocaine off a groupie's butt, as if...) I just used them to illustrate my point, which was......Bother! I forgot what my point was...

Not sure why you're getting props from DasLied for this?? It's so much the obvious question that I'm kinda disappointed it even needed to be asked, (especially by you, johnny, normally so shrewd and quick on the uptake). I phrased this deliberately in such a way that it could be interpreted literally or metaphorically with equal validity*. I toyed with adding "if you get my drift", but (like the words "geddit?" after a gag) this would inevitably be to the detriment of humour... *Actually, whilst I don't specifically recall interrupting coitus to turn the record over, my memory serves me somewhat better in the other regard. However, Mr guitar, where you do merit "congratulation" is your remarkable ability to subtly ratchet up the "Oneupmanship Quotient" to hitherto unimaginable heights of absurdity. What 'm I on about? Regular readers may have noticed how chippy I was last week about Mr guitar's irritating habit of (repeatedly)deprecating my posts on other threads ("Songs that make me happy", "Great vocal intros", etc) and suggesting better alternatives. I'm over that now. But Lordy, Lordy, I thought I might be able to recount a vaguely entertaining nostalgic anecdote about a carnal encounter to a "Til Tuesday" soundtrack without Mr Guitar responding with his opinion on "the best Til Tuesday shagging album". I worry about you, johnny, I really do. Still, when I posted I wasn't sure anyone here would even have heard of Til Tuesday, so it's nice that I seem to have inadvertantly sparked off a modest TT revival... On the subject of Betty Boo (nee Alison Clarkson) I think what Diggs was saying was that even the ponciest of shandy-sipping southerners might pitch a trouser tent at the thought of Doin the Do with Ms Boo, whether A side, B side or 12" extended mix. And I for one would concur. IMHO, sultry pouting, bold Ms Boo has been (by some distance) "the Foxiest Chick in the Charts" post-Debbie Harry, her only serious challenger being Clare Grogan of Altered Images (a different kettle of fish altogether, mind you) Splendid anecdote Diggs, cheers.

I'm not unsympathetic to your point of view; I have often turned a blind eye to all sorts of "personality disorders" / dubious political or ethical views,or whatever in order to enjoy great music.(in many cases, its the flaws, complexities and contradictions of an artists character that enables them to create "good art"??)I'm sure we all have selective "blind-spots". It's a necessary antidote to universal blandness. But doesn't it alter your perspective on somebody's work, if, for example, they are exposed as paedophiles or "downloaders of child-porn", come out as "white supremacists" or whatever? Some things are harder to overlook than others...

Congratulations TP, YOU ARE A WINNER!

Perhaps I should offer a clue?? How do you like your meat? (if that isn't too personal.... )

You know, I hesitate to mention this, lest it should be suggested that I am obsessed by matters sexual, or I should fall foul of the "taste police", but what the heck, it seems pertinent to the thread...I'll just have to try to be as delicate as I can... Once upon a time, about twenty years ago, I spent a couple of months lodging with* my brother and sister-in-law. (* or "spongeing off", depending on whose point of view one is inclined to believe) Their town-centre terraced house was pleasant, tho' rather small: I guess my presence was something of an imposition on them. One fine saturday morning, brother and sis-in-law were out and I was making myself at home, mooching around, listening (somewhat disdainfully) to my brother's records, when I put on an album by Til Tuesday, which was actually pretty good. Just then, my girlfriend called round to say "Hi!". She had cycled over and was"glowing". Well, I don't recall exactly how things unfolded from there, but To Cut A Long Story Short (I lorst my mind!) but "one thing led to another"- I do remember they had a lovely furry rug on the hearth in their comfy little lounge- and then "the inevitable happened" and I'm in up to the apricots. Now I don't know whether it was the location, the musical accompaniment, the rug, the risk of relations returning at any moment or being seen by passers-by through the open curtains, but it all added up to "a memorable one". When the A side was done, we flipped over and played the B-side.... I later mentioned to my brother that I quite liked the Til Tuesday LP, and he taped it for me. Whenever I listen to it now, (as I do from time to time), I still get a "rosy glow" (strangely absent when I listen to the Suzanne Vega he put on the other side) I've still never told my brother any of this.

Not the ones, I'm afraid. Thanks for trying anyway, O55, I think everybody else has lost interest...

Call that "raising me", do ya?

Don't come the innocent with me,JULF }

But presumably not "smararse", (no hyphen, no"t") Anyway, for the record: I happened to spend 5 minutes listening to an Amboy Dukes tune (for the first time)a couple of nights ago, at the same time as I was "SFing" (hence it cropped up in "what I'm Listening To Right Now") Don't think this classifies me as "a fan". Would hate you to get the wrong idea. When do we talk about KrautRock again?

Already? I've only just begun!. What about.... punk fishy: Anchovy in the Uk disco fishy: Hi Tench-on glam-stompin fishy : Mama, Weer All Crayfish Now! showbiz-luvvie fishy: Super-grouper QuincyJones fishy: Ai No Corydora Elton fishy: Blenny and The Jets future-facing fishy: Don't Look Back, an Angler Oi! fishy: Someone's Gurnard Die Tonight "not to be messed with fishy": Psychobarbel Tropical fishy: Pleco Beach car-keys on the coffee table fishy: Marlin, You Were Wonderful Tonight socialising fishy: Saturday Night's Alright for Whiting I'm sure there's more, if you want some?

Excuse me, Mr guitar. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I assume you mean "smart-arse".

What for? You aint done nothing to upset me, buddy. Probably a fair bit more than I have, by the sound of it...

No offence taken, Edna. I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with The Seeker, merely expressing surprise that one so young would have any insight into Nina Hagen, given her relative insignificance in the overall scheme of things, and such a long time ago. Having said that, y'now some "artists" can combine being "one big joke" with making vital and exciting music. I mean, Adam and the Ants for starters.... (Yes, folks, I am serious)

Yabbadabbadoo! Here goes with another one... Blur : Bruce Springsteen

Is it... Bad Girls / Good Girls Don't ?

I have a fantastic version of this (on vinyl) performed by the legendary actor Jon Pertwee (former Dr Who and Worzel Gummidge)

Auditioning for "Super-Size Me"? 4/10. Most of these burgers sound quite good (except the McDs) but that sounds like too many burgers in a short space of time. Got to be bad for you... I just enjoyed some spicy sausage and a tongue sandwich (ooh!)

And, at the risk of repeating myself, I answered your question about where I think "Nerve Rack" stands in "the pantheon of shite names", by replying "On the outside- looking in", meaning "not shite, therefore not in the pantheon, etc, etc.". What's up, johnny? Am I too subtle for ya?

"On the outside, looking in". Lou Barlow (Dinosaur Jr, later of Sebadoh) said it was a "cool name". Come to think of it, I never heard anyone speak disparagingly of the name "Nerve Rack". What's your problem with it? Incidentally, it's two words, not one, as would be obvious if you looked at any of their album sleeves, CD sleeve, tape covers, etc. It does appear (erroneously) as a one-word name on the cover of a Fudge Tunnel single, whose B-side is a cover version of the Rack's "Rottweilers".

Yup, all my own work. I'm flattered. Thankyou

Wrong thread for Nina Hagen pics, johnny.

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