WalterMitty
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Rory Gallagher
The agony and the ecstasy
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BB finds the sweet spot
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AUSTIN ROBERTS - Rocky
(chorus)
she said, "Rocky I've never had to die before, don't know if I can do it..."
I'm sure she'll get there eventually huh?
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And let's not forget..........
Help, i need somebody,
Help, not just anybody,
Help, you know i need someone, help.
When i was younger, so much younger than today,
I never needed anybody's help in any way.
But now these days are gone, i'm not so self assured,
Now i find i've changed my mind and opened up the doors.
Help me if you can, i'm feeling down
And i do appreciate you being round.
Help me, get my feet back on the ground,
Won't you please, please help me.
And now my life has changed in oh so many ways,
My independence seems to vanish in the haze.
But every now and then i feel so insecure,
I know that i just need you like i've never done before.
Help me if you can, i'm feeling down
And i do appreciate you being round.
Help me, get my feet back on the ground,
Won't you please, please help me.
When i was younger, so much younger than today,
I never needed anybody's help in any way.
But now these daya are gone, i'm not so self assured,
Now i find i've changed my mind and opened up the doors.
Help me if you can, i'm feeling down
And i do appreciate you being round.
Help me, get my feet back on the ground,
Won't you please, please help me, help me, help me, oh
Emo as ..........
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Good call Batman
Yet another "Everyone who's not me sucks" thread by PEW.
You're an adult now Paul, (chronologicaly at least), people are still telling you you are a doofus, and you're still not listening.
Grow up man!
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Welcome to the Internetz LOLZ!
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In the UK the earliest show to air what we would now term music videos would have been The Old Grey Whistle Test.
A mix of live studio performances and film/'video' interpretations.
Bob Harris/ Old Grey Whistle Test
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PS: I think I've seen PEW and WM online at the same time... so I don't think they're the same person
Radhi, I have three computers on my desk... I could register in one as, let´s say, KeithRichards, and post in SF... while I post on Songfacts from my Mac as edna... just like when I work, posting here while translating on the PC...
I am sure a moderator could clear up that suggestion in a heartbeat.
I live in hope that that comment was made by MarcM with a generous helping of tongue in cheek or a bit of mischief in mind.
I am in the UK. PEW I believe is in the States.
If anything in my posts here have drawn similarities to PEW's then I unreservedly offer my apologies.
I have read the main Songfacts for ages. I did not even notice the forum link until recently. When I did I saw PEW at his usual schtick and thought it only fair to offer a heads up.
As I offered to Blind Fitter. Google his name see what comes back.
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I don't hate you.
I often ponder what makes a man of your years seek attention to the degree you do, but I don't hate someone who is nothing more than a box of text to me.
You do tend to pontificate from a position of ignorance though and if a discussion board is about anything, it is surely about challenging such sermons and putting an alternate view out there.
I have attempted to support my viewpoint. I asked you a question to give you the opportunity to support yours.
Unsurprisingly, you did not do so.
You went for the distraction.
A further question if you would care to reply?
Why are you so dismissive of those younger than you? The "teeny-boppers".
Many a teenager has humbled me with their specialist knowledge, understanding or expertise on a variety of subjects.
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You harp on about some fictitional era, (usually around the Beatles), where everything was idyllic in the music business.
You dislike digital media and prefer vinyl
but not enough to stop you freeloading mp3's?
You hark for a time that never was!
It is complete and utter pie in the sky nonsense.
"Take a hike"?
Are you a moderator here now?
Care to give tangible examples of the corporations being on the run. This independents killing off the corporates trend you see?
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I can assure you that is certainly not the case!
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I dont know what that last comment means. I also dont know why you assume MySPace is the only place artists can post their songs. And even if ot were, the MySpce people have no say over what the artists do. They dont even ever mmet the artists. MaySpace si simply replacing the Dsitribution step in the artitst-to-fan process. The artists has moe control because he is paying for the production himself. He is getting his music accessed by millions (basically for free) and he is able to network (again basically for free).
These are all steps in the right direction and will hopefully make the record labels obsolete.
n.b.
All quotes are (sic)
Point for point.
(1) "I dont know what that last comment means."
I am so very sure you do.
(2) "I also dont know why you assume MySPace is the only place artists can post their songs."
Just where did I state that mySpace was the only place?
It is by far the most successful 'legitimate' site and therefor the model adopted by clones and the best indicator for the future.
(3) "the MySpce people have no say over what the artists do. "
They certainly do. They can remove them from the service anytime they like.
(4) "They dont even ever mmet the artists.
Why do they need to meet them?
By the artists posting material on their service they signed the contract. The company gets all they need from them. More figures to sell advertising with and publishing privilages to use the artists material.
(5) "MaySpace si simply replacing the Dsitribution step in the artitst-to-fan process."
Yes, exactly what I said. It replaces the traditional distribution media, vinyl, cd's, tapes etc.
(6) "The artists has moe control because he is paying for the production himself."
More control but with no access to resources, equipment and professional guidance.
(7) "He is getting his music accessed by millions (basically for free) and he is able to network (again basically for free)."
Don't be silly. First the 'millions' need to know they are there.
Much easier if you put the band/material on tv, in music mags, billboards etc.
All of which requires significant financial investment.
(8) "These are all steps in the right direction and will hopefully make the record labels obsolete."
Do you seriously believe the music branch of the entertainment industry is anywhere close to considering striking camp anytime soon?
They are; refining, adapting, consolidating, commisioning projections and feasibility studies as they have always done.
That is how they got to be multi-national corporations in the first place.
All we are witnessing at the moment is a transitional stage.
Charts are already changing to reflect downloads for example.
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Tell me what you're looking for and I bet I can tell you how to get it online for free...
and screw the artist twice. From the corporate AND consumer side! Nice approach.
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Still, its a step in the right direction. Murdoch does not have control over the artists like a major label mogal does...
It is even greater artist exploitation than has ever happened before.
The artists pay their own recording and production costs.
The artists effectively write and produce their own publicity.
The artists carry out their own street/web teaming by touting their band across mySpace and messageboards.
The 'Publisher/Distributor provides them with a small allocation on a servers hard drive. (which they can pull anytime, or apply fees to at a later date. All at their discretion).
The moment you upload, News Corps reap the benefits of the artists work by selling advertising space and potentially even using your compositions for free to do so.
Even if the artist 'fails' News Corps have maximised the companys miniscule investment.
You appear to have completely misread the direction this is going in.
Vinyl, tapes, cd's dvd's are/were all simple publishing mediums.
All had relatively high production costs and investment risks.
The corporates know a fantastic deal potential when they see it.
Let the artists meet those costs and risks.
Replace the physical production of media with 'next to zero cost' digital downloads.
Let the customer buy the storage media, print off the sleeves, etc.
Rake the income from advertising instead of 'record' sales.
This is no Nostradamus prediction, it is already happening.
In fact, in another thread we were discussing Microsoft about to launch track 'rental' software.
Sure we will get a corporate governed 'independent artists' illusion. but the quality control and artist development support will be history or the preserve of those with their own financial means.
The independents are not about to gun for the corporations, the corporations are swarming onto the independents turf.
Your view is akin to the thinking the corner shop is about to blow out Walmart. We know the reverse is true.
The past has gone Paul. Face up to reality.
You not liking it is not sufficient to make it go away.
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youre right, but they arent as bad as major labels. There are some indie lables that are more concerend about he music than the money. I'm not a fan of digital equipment, but one good thing about it is that it is making it less neccesary for an artist to have to be on a label if they want to make music. ProTools and such are becoming increasingly affordable so that kids can record music in their basements in the morning then post their songs on the internet for millions to hear that night. My hope is that labels will some day become obsolete.
How naive. That process already happens, it is called mySpace
and rather than making the corporates obsolete guess who bought it?
Rupert Murdoch's News Corps.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4695495.stm
You may argue that myspace is not a label etc but lookie here..........(they've already scored copyright and publishing privilages the moment you upload).
6# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com.
1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services...
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U2 - Bullet the Blue Sky
[spoken section .......]
This guy comes up to me
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colors of a royal flush
And he's peeling off those dollar bills
Slapping them down
One hundred, two hundred
And I can see those fighter planes
And I can see those fighter planes
Across the mud huts where the children sleep
Through the alleys of a quiet city street
You take the staircase to the first floor
Turn the key and slowly unlock the door
As a man breathes into a saxophone
And through the walls you hear the city groan
Outside is America
Outside is America
Across the field you see the sky ripped open
See the rain through a gaping wound
Pounding on the women and children
Who run
Into the arms
Of America
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How many times are we going to beat this subject into the &*^%ing ground before we are all satisfied that no one is ever going to agree with each other?
I hate to say "I told you so" but ehh...........
22-05-06 12:54 AM - Post#230269In response to PaulEdwardWagemann
Be advised folks, Wagemann is a messageboard antagonist, banned from several music forums;
Sound Opinions,
The Gear Page,
Bowlie.
As long as he is getting attention he is winning.
The best appraisal I have seen of him is he's "a Master baiter".
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I was curious if anybody else heard about the rumor about Microsoft comming out with an Ipod like music mp3. I heard about it a few months ago just havent heard anything else about it.
I think it may be a software package which portable player manufacturers can incorporate into their hardware.
Yes, it is built around Microsofts WMA format.
The software, known as Janus, would allow for time limited tracks to be 'rented' rather than downloaded and kept.
Here's a link to an article on CNET CNET - Microsoft Janus
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You critise Jacksons Company for exploiting Beatles songs for commercial purposes.
It is hardly as though the Mop tops were averse to a bit of commercial exploitation themselves is it?
Try looking on eBay or Google for Beatles memorabilia and look at the range of tat they were happy to align themselves with.
I wonder who dealt with all that image rights management. Paul? George? or maybe it was a corporate thing.
Hair Pomade
Novelty Comb
Bad@$$ Bling
Something for Mum
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Right. There is very little comparison of the corporate music industry of 1964 to the one of today. The Bealtes didnt know what they were doing. They werent even 21 when Beatlemania started going wild. Plus they didnt have all of the examples of how the corporate music industry screwed over Rock musicians that artists of today have. Artists of today have no excuse for being ignorant of the evil of the corporate music industry.
You seem to imagine, (pardon the pun), that the Beatles ran their own business affairs. Where does that come from? The were managed and manipulated as a product, the same as any other band.
They Beatles did not appoint George Martin as their producer for example, Martin was head of Parlophone and he went looking for a pop band to fill a market and interviewed them! It was he and Epstein who did the deals. From the very beginning, the Beatles were the subjects of a corporate marketing strategy.
The increasing ownership of television sets at that time also created the most massively persuasive media platform ever. Easily exploited by Martin with his background and contacts.
There really is no difference between the goals of; Martin/Epstein, Stock Aitken & Waterman, Malcolm McLaren, Coca Cola, Ben and Jerrys or Bill Gates.
Identify a market > Produce a product > Market the product > distribute the product > Generate a Ca$h profit. (Then do it all again).
Lennon was so naive he famously thought he was conning the guy out of free beer when they permitted him to record the "Hamburg Tapes" He believed it was impossible for someone to "own a song". He would have died a pauper with that level of understanding if it were not for his 'corporate handlers'.
Mind giving me your take on just what Apple Corps is, if not a corporation?
You seem to make some caveat around the sophistication and effectiveness of the 'corporations' I don't think McCartney et al continued to build and maintain their massive wealth by busking at the weekends.
No, they are managed by hugely effective corporations is why.
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I was once writing out the lyrics for Cream - Badge. An older guy in the same office used to perform it with his band, so was helping.
Then he said "Did I tell you 'bout our kid, now he's not a tomato". Of course I burst out laughing. He was serious.
The line is: "Did I tell you 'bout our kid, now he's married to Mabel."
He had been doing it live for about 5 years in their set and no-one either noticed or said anything.
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I've been watching I love the 80s on VH1, and I don't rememeber the 80's being anything like how they say it was.
I wonder why that is? Oh yea, because VH1 is retarded and thinks real life is just like how it was played on TV.
Perhaps because the world does not rotate around you? Just a thought.
Everyone, during any particular day never mind a decade, has a different set of experiences and memories.
Did you expect VH1 to capture your specific viewpoint?
How inconsiderate of them not to. }
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A few more angles to think about onthis subject amtter:
~Do you think that by being able to skip tracks, artist feel free to put shiddy tracks on their CDs that they wouldnt have done otherwise?
~As for the idea that CDs cna last 1000 plays and still soudn good while records cant--just let me say that If you treat vinyl right (follow the manufacturers instructions) a record has an indefinite life...
~good vinyl will always sound better, It has no form of quantisation, and is not limited to a max frequency of 22khz, which most people should be able to hear above.. seeing as good speakers can go up to about 30khz.
~Also, the argument is void that digitally recorded music should sound better on cd either, as it will almost certainly be recorded (unless the engineer is stupid) at a higher sample rate than 44.1khz and much higher than 16bit.
~Last of all, let me ask about albums that were made before CDs were the norm--these were specifically made with the idea in mind thta they woudl be played on record players not cd players...so doest converting them to CD take away something?
How to sound knowledgeable and plausible ...............
[i]"If you treat vinyl right (ie follow the manufacturers instructions) it has an indefinite life..."
grockle: Drowned in Sound 28th May 2006
[i]"It has no form of quantisation, and is not limited to a max frequency of 22khz, which most people should be able to hear above.. seeing as good speakers can go up to about 30khz, it almost seems like a bit of a waste."
grockle: Drowned in Sound 28th May 2006
[i]"The argument is void that digitally recorded music should sound better on cd either, as it will almost certainly be recorded (unless the engineer is stupid) at a higher sample rate than 44.1khz and much higher than 16bit."
jampster: Drowned In Sound 28th May 2006
Drowned in Sound Discussion prompted by PEW
Simply post the same question on multiple boards and compile the responses as your follow up.
etc.
What determined your musical tastes?
in Music Discussion
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I consider myself lucky to have grown up during a period when many styles were being played and intermingled; rock, blues, jazz, soul, funk, folk, reggae, country, and even classical. Scan through your Zeppelin albums, for example, and you will find elements of all those in there.
The rigid classification/boxing-in of genres seemed less prevalent then imo.
The net result for me were ears that were open to anything from arabian/indian/afican/celtic to the electronic experimentation of Brian Eno etc.
Never let some journalist knocking out 'hype handles' for music limit your options, listen to all and decide what resonates for you.
I tended to avoid 'chart shows' as they only illustrated what was currently being plugged or payola'd while the really good music was being played on more obscure stations.
Older guys down the pub were a great reference library too.