PaulEdwardWagemann
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Actually, Paul McCArtney's 'with a little luck' and Santana's 'I'm winning' and steve winwoods "If you see a chance take it' all sound suspiciously like yacht rock to me...or am I just imagining things here?
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i'd like to add billy oceans 'carribean queen' and some bob marley. some jimmy buffet, and...uh 'JOhn B Sloop' and 'Kokomo' by the Beach Boyz...oh yeah, and 'rio' by double duran...
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http://music.ign.com/articles/710/710545p1.html
Doobie brothers, beach boys, steely dan, hall-n-oats, etc.
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in your honest opinion?
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I was a dust bin junkie throughout most of the 80s and then on into the 90s. There was no bigger thrill for me than spending 99 cents on a unheard of album that ended up being great. Or even having one or two great cuts. It was about as exiciting as being 8 years old, spending your weekly allowance on 3 packs of baseball cards and getting a Pete Rose or Cesar Geronimo...
Over the years I've valued these unknown classics, lugging them off to college in heavyass milk crates each year, piling them in my trunk everytime I got kicked out of an apartment in the early 90s--realizing I could probablly sell them all off and pay for two or three months more rent, suffering the heartache of having one scratched or worbled bythe sun or ripped off by a vengeful ex-girlfriend--and then frantically scouring the record shops trying to replace it.
Perhaps because of their rarity, they sound better. Or perhaps it its Rock snobbery "Look at me, I know all about this secret little masterpiece and no one else does, Nanny-nanny boo-booo"
Whatever the case, I think its time we share our Unknown Classics with each other.
I'll start off with a band called OddManOut who released their album Havana in 1990 on Frigid Air records out of Chicago. There are at least 5 of the 8 songs on this album (total running time is a bit under 36 minutes) that are good to very good, to damn near great. Only one song is a throw away, and two others I have to be in the right mood for.
None of the band members are listed anywhere on the album. The liner notes simply read all songs arranged by Odd Man Out and produced by Phil Bonnet and Perry Bax. The cover has a green and white close-up photo of a merry-go round horse. The music is typical of the atypical college rock radio of the late 80's. Theres more than a few hints of U2, the Fall and Echo and the Bunnymen, especially in the lead singer's voice and phrasings. Theres also some cool jangly guitar riffs popping in and out all over the place and unexpected harmonica or keyboard layers weaved in. Most of the songs are dancible to, and could seamlessly have been inserted into any mid to late 80s Teen movie Prom scene, possibly staring Nicolas Cage or Robert Downey Jr. The main problem I have with the couple songs that I dont like are that they overdue the melodrama on the synthesizer a tad bit.
Still I regard this as a great album that nobody seems to know about.
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Pipers at the Gates of Dawn is the only PF I love. WIsh you were here and Dark side of the moon are good. Most everything else is 'Meh'...
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The legal side of mp3 downloading is a very grey area
You won't go to prison, since it isn't a crime. But here in Germany, the record companies took civil action against a few hundreds (or thousands) of e-mule and kazaa etc. users wanting compensations for damages, because they couldn't sell the songs, that others downloaded for free. They demand up to 10000 € for every song/mp3, and you can imagine that some of them uploaded thousands of songs...
Now it's unlikely that they get this much compensations here (in german law they have to proof, that the song really caused 10000€ damage - I don't know what it's like in the US), but it is certain, that they are in the right.
Actually I'd like to be taken to court and sued for damages. This woudl give me the chance to point out that illegal downloading actally helps a band (by creating an audiance for them who otherwise never would have hear thier muisc). Illgal downloading makes money for the artists. The artists themselves only make a coupdl of pennies for every CD that is sold. The real people you are hurting ar the CEOs and corporate RIAA stiffs in the corporate music industry, and they are a bunch of jerks anyway, so screw 'em!
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piracy smiracy--no one I know has ever been sent to prison for downloading songs off the internet. All I'm saying is, if you want them, I've probablly got them...
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Really??? I´ve got a long list of oldies... I used to dowload them the half-legal way but now I can´t. I´d love to know where I can download my oldies, really. But I have no credit cards, I gave them all back...
edna, I got oldies coming out my whatoosie. If you told me what you want I could use YSI (you send it) to post them on a message board and then you could download them.
Give me an idea of what you'd want...I go all the way back to the 60s and even some 50s.
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I don't hate you.
But you admit that I'm beautiful, right?
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I am beginning to think that Walter Mitty and PEW are the same person. Maybe WM is PEW's alter ego? Just a thought, you never see them in the room at the same time....
Hmm, interesting. We dont ever see them in the same room together, do we?
Actually that's because Mitty is my stalker. If youve never had a stalker before, I highly recommend it. They go around following you everywhere, trying to pester you. The fact thaty they have no life of their own is kind of sad, so you jsut sorta play along and throw them a little Scoobie-snak every so often and pat them on the head, and they're pretty harmless. Unless they are holding a copy of the Cather in the Rye. In which case: RRRRRRRUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
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You harp on about some fictitional era, (usually around the Beatles), where everything was idyllic in the music business.
You dislike digital media and prefer vinyl
but not enough to stop you freeloading mp3's?
You hark for a time that never was!
It is complete and utter pie in the sky nonsense.
"Take a hike"?
Are you a moderator here now?
Care to give tangible examples of the corporations being on the run. This independents killing off the corporates trend you see?
First of all: Dont hate me because I'm beautiful.
Secondly, what on God's green earth are you talking about?
Third...uh, um, your mother wears army boots...
Now Good day sir!
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(1) "I dont know what that last comment means."
I am so very sure you do.
Sorry, i have no idea what you are talking about. Wanna quit being elusive and just tell me--I mean this kinda of cutesy stuff my be interesting for teeny boppers, but it just bores me. Either get to the point or take a hike.
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Actually it´s easier to go to a shop and buy it. It´s not cheaper but it´s easier. You cannot find all you want in the web... I get some of my music in the shops, some other in the web, some other through friends, but I´m glad the record industry exists, I would have been lost without it...
Tell me what you're looking for and I bet I can tell you how to get it online for free...
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Let me see, if labels become obsolete, then there will be no publicity - How do you want people to get to know of a band? Word of mouth? Hah... you'd be lucky to sell 500 albums and for that reason CD prices will shoot up and we're back to another thread. "Why don't we use vinyl, maybe?"
Of course, you need someone to make those CD's too.
And good God, man... I live in INDIA... can you imagine my musical deprivation? I'd have nothing to live for! Do you want me to DIE?
Sorry, Mr. Mitty, I don't really want to provoke him any further, but I'm a bit of a masochist.
Isnt it much easier to download music than to find it on CD in India?
As for word of mouth, that will sell some, but there are also zines that review independent artists and then ofcourse there is internet message boards.
The good thing about the internet is if you do a little diggin you can find communitees that will turn you on to good music. People like you will be recommending music for you to listen to instead of some corporate marketing team that is only interested in making a buck...
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It is even greater artist exploitation than has ever happened before.
The artists pay their own recording and production costs.
The artists effectively write and produce their own publicity.
The artists carry out their own street/web teaming by touting their band across mySpace and messageboards.
The 'Publisher/Distributor provides them with a small allocation on a servers hard drive. (which they can pull anytime, or apply fees to at a later date. All at their discretion).
The moment you upload, News Corps reap the benefits of the artists work by selling advertising space and potentially even using your compositions for free to do so.
Even if the artist 'fails' News Corps have maximised the companys miniscule investment.
You appear to have completely misread the direction this is going in.
Vinyl, tapes, cd's dvd's are/were all simple publishing mediums.
All had relatively high production costs and investment risks.
The corporates know a fantastic deal potential when they see it.
Let the artists meet those costs and risks.
Replace the physical production of media with 'next to zero cost' digital downloads.
Let the customer buy the storage media, print off the sleeves, etc.
Rake the income from advertising instead of 'record' sales.
This is no Nostradamus prediction, it is already happening.
In fact, in another thread we were discussing Microsoft about to launch track 'rental' software.
Sure we will get a corporate governed 'independent artists' illusion. but the quality control and artist development support will be history or the preserve of those with their own financial means.
The independents are not about to gun for the corporations, the corporations are swarming onto the independents turf.
Your view is akin to the thinking the corner shop is about to blow out Walmart. We know the reverse is true.
The past has gone Paul. Face up to reality.
You not liking it is not sufficient to make it go away.
I dont know what that last comment means. I also dont know why you assume MySPace is the only place artists can post their songs. And even if ot were, the MySpce people have no say over what the artists do. They dont even ever mmet the artists. MaySpace si simply replacing the Dsitribution step in the artitst-to-fan process. The artists has moe control because he is paying for the production himself. He is getting his music accessed by millions (basically for free) and he is able to network (again basically for free).
These are all steps in the right direction and will hopefully make the record labels obsolete.
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How naive. That process already happens, it is called mySpace
and rather than making the corporates obsolete guess who bought it?
Rupert Murdoch's News Corps.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4695495.stm
You may argue that myspace is not a label etc but lookie here..........(they've already scored copyright and publishing privilages the moment you upload).
6# Proprietary Rights in Content on MySpace.com.
1. By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials (collectively, "Content") on or through the Services, you hereby grant to MySpace.com, a non-exclusive, fully-paid and royalty-free, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense through unlimited levels of sublicensees) to use, copy, modify, adapt, translate, publicly perform, publicly display, store, reproduce, transmit, and distribute such Content on and through the Services...
Still, its a step in the right direction. Murdoch does not have control over the artists like a major label mogal does...
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Ah, so you're an indie fan?
Zut alors! Paul
How can you get to be 38 years old and understand so little about commerce?
Even independent labels don't operate as philanthropic enterprises. And artists that have the wherewithal to produce their own don't lose interest in selling records.
youre right, but they arent as bad as major labels. There are some indie lables that are more concerend about he music than the money. I'm not a fan of digital equipment, but one good thing about it is that it is making it less neccesary for an artist to have to be on a label if they want to make music. ProTools and such are becoming increasingly affordable so that kids can record music in their basements in the morning then post their songs on the internet for millions to hear that night. My hope is that labels will some day become obsolete.
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And "corporate rock" doesn't equate to "not good".
No, but it comes pretty close--probablly about 99% anyways...
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'Most Popular' doesnt eqaute to 'best'
But the term corporate rock came about from the arena rock and stadium rock of the 70s. Corporate Rock means rock that is on a major label that is beign touted in the mainstream magazines and on mainstream radio--mainly because a parent company also owns the radio stations, the magazines, the cable tv stations, etc where the band is being touted.
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Thanks for asking, I'd like you to respond to:
And the one where I call you immature, please.
What's there to respond to? I'm not daying all music since the 80's is corporate Rock--that WOULD be idiotic. And I dont even know where you are coming up with that notion from? So my responses is: (--insert scoobie-doo impersonation here--)
ARrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnn???
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Why oh why won't you respond to any of my posts?
Which post do you want me to respond to?
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What I hate from the 80s is that new romantic look... and all the bands sounding Spandau Ballet style. At least, in Europe, the 80s were the anti-hippy times... and all the boys with their hair dyed in flashy colours...
Oh, yes, and that electronic Simmons drums...
As far as mainstream pop music goes, it seems like the early 80s where alot of synth/dance pop, then the mid 80s was corporate rock and hair metal, and the late 80s was hip hop/rap.
But are their any folks here who were fans of college rock radio in the 80s? The Replacements, REM, camper van beethoven, etc??? That;s the scene I'd really liek to hear about...
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Hey, what do you have against 'meh'? Would you prefer 'egad'?
Nothing says "I'm a pimply-faced teenager" quite as quickly as "Meh"...
"Egad" on the otherhand says "I'm an uptight sissyfoot"--its nearly equivilent to a *gasp* followed up by a "Well I never..."
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and all the bands sounding Spandau Ballet style. At least, in Europe, the 80s were the anti-hippy times... and all the boys with their hair dyed in flashy colours... 
Best yacht rock song of all-time?
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BTW, PMac's 'with a little luck' was actually recorded aboard the motor yacht 'Fair Carol' just off the Virgin Islands...