edna Posted August 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 You´re not planning to kill a bear, are you? A Grizzly?? Why? They live there, minding their own business and they don´t deserve to be shot by people who have nothing better to do... you can go camping but why kill an animal??? I agree to use a gun as a defensive thing against evil persons who attack you. But animals are not evil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Nothing wrong with a father, who knows that his child is mature enough, introducing him to something he enjoys. I do not see anything that I would think of as disturbing. They are in a range, safety precautions are being taken and Mikey's boy had a good time. If he was curious about firearms, it is better that he learn under controlled circumstances than finding out on his own. I get the feeling as if you think everyone who enjoys shooting is some kind of ignorant redneck who is looking for a cross to burn. Or am I off target? I understand that people that have not grown up around firearms may feel uncomfortable with them, or even not like seeing someone else enjoying them. I cant help but feel like I, and the other gun friendly people here, are being looked down on just a bit. I am used to it, though, living in California. I don't think a kid should enjoy something that was designed to kill. And supported by his father, no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted August 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 (edited) I won´t get into the debate about guns. But to go on about the bears, I actually know about the grizzly´s behaviour with tourists and so, even about the fact that sometimes they get near to places where people live. I´ve worked in the production of a documentary about them some years ago and had to learn something about that problem. Yet I personally would go camping somewhere where I wouldn´t be attacked by a grizzly. It´s like going to a beautiful place but oh, there´s a wolf! So let´s kill it... That´s not the right thing to do, at least for me... Edit: I also agree with Fin and Tim and Radhi, but I understand that´s a personal point of view. I won´t debate how to raise a child. Now, I love bears (don´t get me wrong ) and I m concerned about wild life... Edited August 10, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Am I the only one who finds the pictures of guns a tad inappropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 No, you're not... like Marc said, guns make a lot of people feel uncomfortable, so pictures are a bit inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 (edited) I have to respectfully disagree. Songfacts is a multi-cultural place, yes? I understand that guns are not part of your cultures, but they are very much a part of mine, and obviously others as well. Mickey, I was pleased to see the photo of your son getting proper instruction as to the use of guns. My sons all recieved .22's (rifles, not handguns) as children, along with hunter education courses. All were deer hunting at the age of 11. My grandson got his .22 for Christmas this year (he's 9). He'll be in the woods this fall with his uncles & grandpa (having graduated from required hunter/gun education) . Guns aren't frightening in and of themselves, the people that use them are. If you live in a culture that supports the use of guns, it's only right that kids recieve proper education in their use. edna, I don't think that Mickey is going grizzley hunting per say. I think the gun is for protection against the grizzley, should it be necessary. EDIT: I didn't mean that to sound preachy, or that I was promoting guns in any way. That's a personal choice. I was just pointing out the differences in cultures. Edited August 10, 2008 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I feel like reading Nothing New at the Western Front again now... sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 If you live in a culture that supports the use of guns, it's only right that kids recieve proper education in their use. But you wouldn't agree that it's unfortunate that we live in such a culture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I actually meant the sub-culture of a country family. Where the children grow up to follow the traditions of their fathers and grandfathers, hunting. It's a great way for kids to bond, and great education. Kids that are brought up this way have a great respect for firearms and nature as well. I'm proud to be one of such a culture. I did not mean any sort of culture that would support the frivolous use of guns in any fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I feel like reading Nothing New at the Western Front again now... sorry I can't find that book or what's it about at amazon. Can you give me a clue, please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 oh, sorry, I see the English title is All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria Remarque it tells the story of a young soldier in the trenches of WWI war is no fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Ok, Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted August 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 edna, I don't think that Mickey is going grizzley hunting per say. I think the gun is for protection against the grizzley, should it be necessary. I know, Lucky. I didn´t mean that they would be hunting bears, of course... I pointed that bears are animals that I personally love, and thus I dislike the idea of killing a grizzly. I won´t discuss hunting or camping or the use of weapons or anything like this (and not here, in any case) because I was born, raised and live under some circumstances that have little to do with other people´s. I have my own beliefs -like the other songfactors- and keep part of them to myself when it comes to defend them or not -like the other songfactors as well. Yet I am friends with you and I believe that we have much in common... You wouldn´t do things I do, as I wouldn´t do things others do as others wouldn´t do things Mike does, etc. So god bless the good people and hope Mike won´t find a grizzly when he´s camping. For his sake, for his child´s sake and for the grizzly´s sake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Guns run the gamut in different cultures. In America, there's guns used despicably as in the Oliver Stone's movie Natural Born Killers and guns used for food, hunting and sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lea Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 If he was curious about firearms, it is better that he learn under controlled circumstances than finding out on his own. That is exactly where parents that keep guns make their mistake and children die. They don't train their childern. To many are likely to make some big mystery out of guns and it makes kids curious and fascinated instead of cautious and educated. If you allow a child to handle a gun with you, they are less likely to do it if you aren't there. Our daughter was trained and schooled in weapon handling since she was old enough to hold one. Hunter safety the whole nine yards. Guns do not fascinate her. She gets very angry if she sees some moron that doesn't have a clue messing with a gun. She was taught all guns are to be considered loaded until she has properly checked it and even then you handle it as if it can kill. She is so used to having guns around her it's old hat. Guns are just a tool. I actually meant the sub-culture of a country family. Where the children grow up to follow the traditions of their fathers and grandfathers, hunting. It's a great way for kids to bond, and great education. Kids that are brought up this way have a great respect for firearms and nature as well. I'm proud to be one of such a culture. I did not mean any sort of culture that would support the frivolous use of guns in any fashion. It's the same with me Lucky. Both DH and myself were raised around guns and my DH is an avid hunter. Me on the other hand...no. I have no heart for killing even if it is for food. My daughter has hunted but does it rarely but still has her 30-30. However, I do believe some guns don't belong in our culture. Like the ousie(sp) or the new fangled machine guns. I see no use for such guns except in a war. And wars are very bad things Guns don't scare me but the hand holding it can be very scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcM Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 oh, sorry, I see the English title is All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria Remarque it tells the story of a young soldier in the trenches of WWI war is no fun I dont recall anyone glorifying war. Or even bringing it up. Guns do not automatically = war. At least not in my eyes. I do not think I am alone there, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I didn't say anyone was it was only that something I read here made me think of a specific scene in the book - as you (rightfully) mentioned we're from different cultures in that aspect... for me guns are just tools made to kill I think I'll be quiet now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcM Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I will join you. We have more in common than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Woooohooo 30,000 posts!....Edna, may I have some brownies now? This was my original pie chart from Feb of 2006. I suppose I need to update it to include all things salami. Laurie, here's a pie chart of your posts. 1] percentage of Badfinger posts 2] percentage of missing posts 3] percentage of "The Shawna & Laurie Show" posts 4] percentage of other posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Laurie_ Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTyme Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 [/ The pie-graph got me hungry . . . Hopefully, Laurie's eggroll hasn't become Stephen King's next idea for an upcoming novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 McCain is siding with the poor little ' Georgians ' against the evil might of the nasty U.S.S.- er , Russia . Prisoner of war experiece : 100 % Priviledged and over -hyped senator experience : 100% Knowledge of anything new in the world in the last 10 years : 10% - at best . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I think you give McCain too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I remember a time- way back before people called each other ' hero', for normal acts of kind behavior or duty- back when being captured was met with an embarrassing silence; though you weren't a disgrace , per se ... but, ... John Wayne was never a POW ! He'd have eaten his captors alive ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I remember that time too, Kev. Being captured is an unfortunate occurrence of war. Upholding the US Military Code Of Conduct while in captivity is an American soldier's duty. While admirable (especially under horrid circumstances) it is not considered to be heroic by most. In any event it is certainly not Presidential in or of itself and seems cheap to use in commercials. Desperate almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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