blind-fitter Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Fair enough; but you did suggest incredulity at the notion of the words "Beastie Boys" and "genius" being juxtaposed anywhere other than in my imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Jane 61 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 The whole point of this discussion has been about if The Beastie Boys deserve to be in The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I will always say no,they don't. While "Fight For Your Right" was a good song,I was 25 at the time of it's release and without a doubt I partied to the song,I in no way feel it's enough to get them into the hall. Should they be in the hip hop hall of fame or rap hall of fame? Sure,but not the rock and roll hall. They didn't do enough,in my opinion,to even deserve a nomination. I agree BnW, they don't need to be in the Rock and Roll Hall or deserve a nomination, just as Madonna doesn't or Donna Summer. The Hall of Fame is just wacked out anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 And by the way Farin,mustard+genius got 660,000 hits . I know... that's why I said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 A Rock (n' Roll) hall of Fame seems like an oxymoron (yes that's pretty much what Tim said) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_n_white Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Yeah but you didn't say how many hits. I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamisammy29 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Current score: Beastie Boys - 3 Opposition - 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_n_white Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Fair enough; but you did suggest incredulity at the notion of the words "Beastie Boys" and "genius" being juxtaposed anywhere other than in my imagination. I will continue to stand by my opinion that very few who listen to music would use the word "genius" when describing The Beastie Boys and their music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I hardly listen to the Beastie Boys and I know that's absolutely incorrect. ye gads... they're HUGE! AND they're in the rock n' roll hall of fame, now (almost). The biggest names in the business think they're genius! And THEY influence most of the music listening population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_n_white Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I hardly listen to the Beastie Boys and I know that's absolutely incorrect. ye gads... they're HUGE! AND they're in the rock n' roll hall of fame, now (almost). The biggest names in the business think they're genius! And THEY influence most of the music listening population. Being "Huge" doesn't mean they are genius or that their music is. Britney Spears is or was huge,is her music genius? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I will continue to stand by my opinion that very few who listen to music would use the word "genius" when describing The Beastie Boys and their music. I can't help feeling you're basing your judgement of The Beasties and their music on their "cartoon" debut album "Licenced To Ill", rather than a stream of critically acclaimed and influential works they have subsequently released, of which you may be less than aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I agree. Their whole career cannot be judged on "Fight for Your Right". That is my least favorite song of theirs. Ick. But the rest is spectacular. I have always considered them to be more rock than rap anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 This whole discussion has no answer.... but since it all falls to opinion in the end let me state clearly... The Beasties in my mind are not Rock. Y'all are entitled to your opinions, but I don't think that have influenced any of the artists that I listen to, or categorize as Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_n_white Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I can't help feeling you're basing your judgement of The Beasties and their music on their "cartoon" debut album "Licenced To Ill", rather than a stream of critically acclaimed and influential works they have subsequently released, of which you may be less than aware. I could listen to their entire collection of works and still have the same opinions. And nobody will ever,ever,EVER convince me that they deserve to be in the rock and roll hall of fame. You might think I am shortsighted or just plain stupid,but everybody isn't going to agree with your opinions on music just as I don't expect everybody to agree with mine. And they aren't a rock group. They are rap/slash hip hop group who added varaitions of "rock" to their music. Putting them in the same catagory with rock groups is just plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 while I agree that they're not a Rock band per se, they definitly have some very fine Rock (/Punk) tracks, eg Sabotage. The only difference to "normal" Rock is that they're rapping instead of singing, but the same goes for numerous others too - from Rage against the Machine, Limp Bizkit (and all the other "Nu Metal" stuff), over Beck to Bob Dylan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 over Beck to Bob Dylan Nice one Martin... Throwing Beck and Dylan back at me, and yes you are probably right. I will say that Beck is probably skirting the edges of Rock very slightly, in my opnion, though he does upon occaision sing as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Let´s make a poll!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_n_white Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 while I agree that they're not a Rock band per se, they definitly have some very fine Rock (/Punk) tracks, eg Sabotage. The only difference to "normal" Rock is that they're rapping instead of singing, but the same goes for numerous others too - from Rage against the Machine, Limp Bizkit (and all the other "Nu Metal" stuff), over Beck to Bob Dylan I'm sure Bob Dylan would be happy to know that his musical style is considered by some to be similiar to The Beastie Boys,Limp Bizkit and Beck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) Let´s make a poll!! about the Beastie Boys being Rock? or if they could be considered geniuses? or if they should be included in the R'n'R HoF? Edited October 5, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I'm sure Bob Dylan would be happy to know that his musical style is considered by some to be similiar to The Beastie Boys,Limp Bizkit and Beck. sometimes I think you really want to be offended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamisammy29 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 My Two Cents: Yeah, I'd have to say that the Beastie Boys definitely CAN be labeled as a rock band. They do play their own instruments (sometimes). They only sample occasionally. Much of their music has a heavy metal/hardcore feel to it. They completely sold out to a record producer before they even released an album. Yeah, they're a rock band. As for their place in the Hall of Fame: They HAVE had quite a large influence on current-day performers and aspiring musicians. But then again, just like the Monkees, I don't think they have done ENOUGH AS OF YET to warrant their induction at this time. Just like with sports, I feel that to get into the hall of FAME, you don't just have to be FAMOUS, you should have to put up the numbers to back it up....consistent numbers over many years. Their first full-length LP wasn't released until 1986, for a total of seven (EP's just don't count)....not even one live album? Is that coincidence? Or is that "pulling the wool"? If they could show me two more decent albums over the next four years, then I would say, "Yes", they DO deserve to be in. And THAT is My Two Cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_n_white Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 sometimes I think you really want to be offended Why? Because I get a kick out of it when somebody makes a comparison like that? I'm not saying I am an expert on music and some on here have forgotten more that I will ever know but I very much doubt that many have ever made such a comparison to say Bob Dylan was at any time using a style that could be considered to be "rap". I'm sorry if I offended you but this is a discussion board and nobody should be surprised when somebody doesn't agree with their comments. Happens to me every day on here but I don't take it personal . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 about the Beastie Boys being Rock? or if they could be considered geniuses? or if they should be included in the R'n'R HoF? Yes, about it all, and about the mustard and the mayonnaise thing too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Jane 61 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Why? Because I get a kick out of it when somebody makes a comparison like that? I'm not saying I am an expert on music and some on here have forgotten more that I will ever know but I very much doubt that many have ever made such a comparison to say Bob Dylan was at any time using a style that could be considered to be "rap". I'm sorry if I offended you but this is a discussion board and nobody should be surprised when somebody doesn't agree with their comments. Happens to me every day on here but I don't take it personal . You are now officially part of the family here on SF Blue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Why? Because I get a kick out of it when somebody makes a comparison like that? I'm not saying I am an expert on music and some on here have forgotten more that I will ever know but I very much doubt that many have ever made such a comparison to say Bob Dylan was at any time using a style that could be considered to be "rap". I'm sorry if I offended you but this is a discussion board and nobody should be surprised when somebody doesn't agree with their comments. Happens to me every day on here but I don't take it personal . no, I don't really care if you agree with my opinion or not - it's more the way you answer... sorry if I got that wrong, but you always seem to take everything a bit too important, and if I may be frank, a few of your posts come of a bit more harsh than necessary and to answer your question: some people say Bob Dylan invented Rap with this song (that's not true of course - there were others before him ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) Yes, about it all, and about the mustard and the mayonnaise thing too... Wasabi mayonnaise is the bomb. Let's have a poll on that. Edited October 5, 2007 by Guest To add the quotes so I don't look like a total moron talking about wasabi mayonnaise when there is a very serious musical discussion going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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