JuniorNB Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I know that the term "new wave" can be subjective, but let's see everyone's choices for their faves. Mine would be: 1. I Got You- Split Enz 2. Wouldn't It Be Good- Nik Kershaw 3. Ghost In You- Psychadelic Furs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Ghost In You- Psychadelic Furs hard to choose just three songs... 1- "Oliver´s Army" - Elvis Costello 2- "Picture this" - Blondie 3- "Girls talk" - Dave Edmunds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 If these count as New Wave (I don't know the technical definition): 1. Moving in Stereo- The Cars 2. Psycho Killer- The Talking Heads 3. Rock Lobster- The B-52's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 It's very tricky unless someone sets about defining the eligibility criteria: "new wave" is one amorphous blob of a genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Yeah, that's the same reason I can never come up with a fitting response when someone asks me what my favorite grunge band is. I could say Nirvana, Pearl Jam, or Soundgarden, but since they don't really sound alike I've never understood how they ended up in the same category, other than that they came out of the same place and time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I'm not sure if these all count as new wave, but: 1 Sonic Youth - Teen Age Riot 2 Violent Femmes - Blister in the Sun 3 Talking Heads - Born Under Punches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadillacranch Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 1. Killing Joke - Love Like Blood 2. The Cure: A Forest 3. TC Matic: Oh la la la Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie_sane Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Are Joe Jackson and Madness considered new wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) Joe Jackson: Yes Madness: No (I think... ) See what I mean about "new wave"? To one person, it means Nik Kershaw, to another Sonic Youth. Nik Kershaw, Sonic Youth, Sonic Kershaw, Nik Youth: they're almost one and the same aren't they? To me at least, "new wave" is a late 70s phenomenon, with a similar timeline to its cousin, "punk-rock": say 1976 until 1979/80, possibly stretching into 1981/82. But in any case, I would suggest Nik Kershaw was "pop", rather than "new wave". (But that's just me, y'know...) Edited February 21, 2007 by Guest too much winking going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie_sane Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 What would you classify Madness as? I see that allmusic has them listed as 'ska revival' and 'new wave', but is putting them in the ska revival genre being too obscure? I think your definition of new wave is spot on too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 "New Wave" was ( for me) rather a trend than a music style, though it took its name after the revival of simple pop and power-pop songs in the late 70s/early 80s. I would call Madness a "new wave" band (playing ska and other styles) cause that´s what they were in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 What about the NDW (New German Wave)? it had everything from the cheesiest Pop to some really cool (post) punk / experimental songs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I only know Nina Hagen... Lene Lovitsch (spell?) is not German, I believe, nor Falco... nor Herman Brood and his Wild Romance, nor Gruppo Sportivo (they are Dutch)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 yes, Nina Hagen is famous... Falco is Austrian but generally considered part of the NDW maybe you know Nena (99 Luftballons) and Trio (Da, Da Da)? I don't think many of it is known outside of Germany though, since most of the lyrics are in German (and a great part of the music isn't really that good anyway ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Sure, Nena and Trio were quite famous in the early 80s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 On reflection, yes, you could legitimately claim Madness as "new wave", because ultimately "new wave" can be used as an umbrella for anything at all that was perceived as "new" and "lively" between 1976 and 1980, including punk, not-quite-punk, new-wave/power-pop, mod-revival, Two-Tone/ska revival, post-punk, synth-pop/futurist/New Romantic, etc. The reason I stretched my timeline for new-wave as far as 1982 was a reflection of the continued popularity of certain bands readily identifiable as "new-wave" (e.g. Devo, B 52s, Talking Heads from the US, and The Teardrop Explodes, Echo And The Bunnymen, Simple Minds, Psychedelic Furs in the UK) By this time in the UK, things had become very "tribal" and categorised, so artists who might previously have been broadly termed "new-wave" would have had some other more specific tag attached to them. By 1982, one wouldn't refer to any new bands as "new-wave", they would be called something else. Hope this makes some sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuniorNB Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I knew this topic would elicit a debate over what is new wave or not. It's always fun watching people try to classify different groups. To me, the heavy use of synthesizers always signified the new wave movement. Problem with that was that you had groups like the Police, Blondie, and Elvis Costello who were practically unclassifiable. One song would sound punk and the next would be disco or new wave. Some groups, like Depeche Mode, The Psychadelic Furs, New Order, ect. were definitely new wave, while others, like Howard Jones, The Hooters, or Simple Minds, were pop or rock bands that added some new wave characteristics. Personally, I hate pigeon-holing a group into a certain niche. I have a very, very broad definition of new wave. I tend to look at much of the music from 79-83 as new wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 This is what Wikipedia has to say about it new wave and this is a list of what they consider new wave artists. Of course, we all know to take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. If the Go-Gos are new wave, then I will eat my shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslied Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Elvis Costello - Blame It On Cain (more rock/post punk, but what the hell...) Split Enz - Six Months In A Leaky Boat Talking Heads - Life During Wartime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I have a very, very broad definition of new wave. I tend to look at much of the music from 79-83 as new wave. So your "new-wave" starts just about when mine would be coming to an end. Wild! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 If the Go-Gos are new wave, then I will eat my shoe. The Go-Gos weren't punk, yet they played spunky guitar-based "power-pop"; they fit the new-wave timeline and demographic perfectly. Would you like seasoning on that stiletto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Despite evidence to the contrary, I still don't believe it. And I'd like some A-1 sauce, please, dearest b-f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 This is what Wikipedia has to say about it new wave and this is a list of what they consider new wave artists. Of course, we all know to take Wikipedia with a grain of salt. Actually, now that I've read this, it seems a pretty fair "in a nutshell" description of what "new wave" represents, and why UK and US perceptions of the genre appear to differ. For example: while early "pioneering" synthy-bands would usually qualify as "new-wave", in no way would the synth represent a defining feature: the vast majority of "new-wave" 1976-79 featured no synths at all. The A-Z list of supposedly "new wave" artists demonstrates the sheer impossibility of the task of first clarifying the genre, then choosing three favourite tracks... My "Neue Deutsche Welle" Top 3 "Eiszeit" - Ideal "Da, Da, Da," - Trio "99 Luftballons" - Nena However, NDW was alot more "pop"-oriented than the new wave genre taken as a whole. There are better songs by artists who were both a) German and new wave, but who nevertheless weren't "Neue Deutsche Welle", which was a sub-genre of its own (New German Wave, as opposed to German "new wave") Confused? If not, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Don't forget the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, which includes Iron Maiden and Judas Priest, which sound nothing like any of the band that have been listed so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadillacranch Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) I believe that New Wave is more of an umbrella-term, which includes many musical subgenres from late '70's-early 80's, (eg. : post-punk, gothic rock, industrial, synthpop, indiepop, New Romantic... ) A lot of underground bands from that era were called New Wave (Tuxedomoon, The Cramps, Executive Slacks, ...), but also mainstream bands/artists like Duran Duran, Human League and Kim Wilde. Of course the definition of New Wave varies from country to country. In the USA some singer-songwriters like Tom Petty were also considered New Wave. In Belgian most people think about Gothic rock when you talk about New Wave. I agree that (80's) Gothic Rock (Bauhaus, Sisters of Mercy) is New Wave, but New Wave is more than gothic. You can compare the term New Wave with the term 'Alternative' in the 90's. Edited February 22, 2007 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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