Batman Posted January 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 haha, thanks edna! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I have three countries... well, I don´t have the Spanish citizenship but all my family does, and most of my friends. If I would have to die for all of them three I would need three lives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry David Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I don't like to reduce people to a country. I have to laugh when I hear politicians say stupid things like, "The Iraqis are not cooperating" or something equally stupid. So, the ninety year old dying in her home and the two year old little boy in his momma's arms are not cooperating? I do not consider myself an American, I consider myself a citizen of the world. Patriotism is okay to a point, but not if dehumanizes people from other countries. And "dying for your country" can mean so many things. What is our country? Who is asking? Are there politicians lining their pockets with the blood money? I would die for someone being hurt or mistreated. I don't care what country they are from. And, I would kill someone who was trying to kill someone else. The whole idea of dying for your country is so polluted with politics...blech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted January 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Well said HD, well said. You can't just make generalizations about people based off their geographic location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I took an oath in my naturalisation ceremony. If the US were to call me to bear arms - as in a draft - then I wouldn't hesitate to do so since that's part of the deal of me getting citizenship. Now, as to whether I would voluntarily join the military... that's more tricky. If we were invaded or a foreign power declared war on the US, then I'm thinking I would. Now, if it's to invade Iraq or some other misguided project Congress has in mind, then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 support your right to arm bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 'twould make it a fair fight between hunters and bears. Heck, I'd pay to see that kind of action! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcM Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 We have a colosseum in LA no one is using right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I'd pay to see David Beckam fight a bear - tiger - what have you , then ! I hope something like that's along the lines of what's in store for him ... surely for 250 Million they don't want to bore us with mere soccer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I don't like to reduce people to a country. I have to laugh when I hear politicians say stupid things like, "The Iraqis are not cooperating" or something equally stupid. So, the ninety year old dying in her home and the two year old little boy in his momma's arms are not cooperating? I do not consider myself an American, I consider myself a citizen of the world. Patriotism is okay to a point, but not if dehumanizes people from other countries. And "dying for your country" can mean so many things. What is our country? Who is asking? Are there politicians lining their pockets with the blood money? I would die for someone being hurt or mistreated. I don't care what country they are from. And, I would kill someone who was trying to kill someone else. The whole idea of dying for your country is so polluted with politics...blech. Wonderful Amy..... more eloquent than I!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 " I want you to remember that no bastard has ever won a war by dying for his country . He won it by making some other poor bastard die for his country ! " - Gen . Patton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 General douglas MacArthur on the USS Missouri / Sept. '45 We are gathered here, representatives of the major warring powers, to conclude a solemn agreement whereby peace may be restored. The issues, involving divergent ideals and ideologies, have been determined on the battlefields of the world and hence are not for our discussion or debate. Nor is it for us here to meet, representing as we do a majority of the people of the earth, in a spirit of distrust, malice or hatred. But rather it is for us, both victors and vanquished, to rise to that higher dignity which alone befits the sacred purposes we are about to serve, committing all our people unreservedly to faithful compliance with the understanding they are here formally to assume. It is my earnest hope, and indeed the hope of all mankind, that from this solemn occasion a better world shall emerge out of the blood and carnage of the past -- a world dedicated to the dignity of man and the fulfillment of his most cherished wish for freedom, tolerance and justice. Today the guns are silent. A great tragedy has ended. A great victory has been won.... As I look back upon the long, tortuous trail from those grim days of Bataan and Corregidor, when an entire world lived in fear, when democracy was on the defensive everywhere, when modern civilization trembled in the balance, I thank a merciful God that he has given us the faith, the courage and the power from which to mold victory. We have known the bitterness of defeat and the exultation of triumph, and from both we have learned there can be no turning back. We must go forward to preserve in peace what we won in war. A new era is upon us. Even the lesson of victory itself brings with it profound concern, both for our future security and the survival of civilization. The destructiveness of the war potential, through progressive advances in scientific discovery, has in fact now reached a point which revises the traditional concepts of war. Men since the beginning of time have sought peace.... Military alliances, balances of power, leagues of nations, all in turn failed, leaving the only path to be by way of the crucible of war. We have had our last chance. If we do not now devise some greater and more equitable system, Armageddon will be at our door. The problem basically is theological and involves a spiritual recrudescence and improvement of human character that will synchronize with our almost matchless advances in science, art, literature and all material and cultural development of the past two thousand years. It must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 General douglas MacArthur on the USS Missouri / Sept. '45 ...It is my earnest hope, and indeed the hope of all mankind, that from this solemn occasion a better world shall emerge out of the blood and carnage of the past -- a world dedicated to the dignity of man and the fulfillment of his most cherished wish for freedom, tolerance and justice. That was just beautiful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 beautiful... but unfortunately not terribly prophetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 beautiful... but unfortunately not terribly prophetic. Absolutely. That´s why I found it so beautiful... it´s quite naive and innocent. There was a bit of hope after all what happened. Too bad it was just that, a beautiful wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSYCHOcatholic Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 There is no such thing as "peace" anymore. If anything, it should be taken out of the dictionary. There will never be "peace" Geez the last "peace" i had was of some cake. Im sorry i sound so negative, but in a way its true. Wars are always gonna be here. Why are we devising a plan to stop wars when that plan will just in turn cause another one. There will always be problems in the world. The soldiers of the world will always be traveling somewhere to kill the enemy who in turn is trying to kill him. Every day, a mother, a wife or father will get a letter in the mail saying that there son died doing his duty, like its supposed to help. If anything, it would make me madder. I didnt die doing anybody's damn duty unless it was my own. Im following orders, that follow a whole lot of other orders from higher up powers. Picture this... CEO hits it big, lots of money, so he has a huge office party, people get drunk, there are some fights, there are games played and lots of music. So, all these rich folk get to walk away from it, throwing there crap on the ground, for the Janitor. Right now, as an American Soldier, thats what i feel like we are doing. We are just pickin up the trash, we are cleaning somebody elses mess. Some higher power made a mess and calls us to clean or fix, like babysitting. No War is a Good War.... There are no good days in war, there are only days where you have less deaths than the day before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 There are no good days in war, there are only days where you have less deaths than the day before. you nailed it, Paul. I think this should be in our quotes box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanAm Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 For my country, not necessarily. To preserve my way of life, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 musical interlude War! huh-yeah What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Uh-huh War! huh-yeah What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it again y'all War! huh good God What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Listen to me? Ohhh? War! I despise Because it means destruction? Of innocent lives War means tears to thousands of mothers eyes When their sons go to fight and lose their lives I said - War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it again War! Whoa, Lord ... What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me? War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker War! Friend only to the undertaker War! It's an enemy to all mankind The thought of war blows my mind War has caused unrest in the younger generation Induction then destruction- Who wants to die? Ohhh? War Good God y'all What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it, Say it, Say it War! Uh-huh Yeah - Huh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Listen to me? War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker War! It's got one friend, that's the undertaker War has shattered many a young mans dreams Made him disabled bitter and mean Life is much to precious to spend fighting wars these days War can't give life, it can only take it away War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it again War! Whoa, Lord ... What is it good for Absolutely nothing Listen to me? War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker War! Friend only to the undertaker Peace Love and Understanding; tell me, is there no place for them today? They say we must fight to keep our freedom But Lord knows there's got to be a better way War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for? You tell me Say it, Say it, Say it War! Huh Good God y'all What is it good for? Stand up and shout it. Nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Musical Interlude II Military Madness Graham nash In an upstairs room in Blackpool By the side of a northern sea The army had my father And my mother was having me Military Madness was killing my country Solitary Sadness comes over me After the school was over and I moved To the other side I found another country but I never Lost my pride Military Madness was killing the country Solitary sadness creeps over me And after the wars are over And the body count is finally filed I hope that The Man discovers What’s driving the people wild Military madness is killing your country So much sadness, between you and me War, War, War, War, War, War Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Musical Interlude & III Leonard Cohen - There Is A War There is a war between the rich and poor, a war between the man and the woman. There is a war between the ones who say there is a war and the ones who say there isn't. Why don't you come on back to the war, that's right, get in it, why don't you come on back to the war, it's just beginning. Well I live here with a woman and a child, the situation makes me kind of nervous. Yes, I rise up from her arms, she says "I guess you call this love"; I call it service. Why don't you come on back to the war, don't be a tourist, why don't you come on back to the war, before it hurts us, why don't you come on back to the war, let's all get nervous. You cannot stand what I've become, you much prefer the gentleman I was before. I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war. Why don't you come on back to the war, don't be embarrassed, why don't you come on back to the war, you can still get married. There is a war between the rich and poor, a war between the man and the woman. There is a war between the left and right, a war between the black and white, a war between the odd and the even. Why don't you come on back to the war, pick up your tiny burden, why don't you come on back to the war, let's all get even, why don't you come on back to the war, can't you hear me speaking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 PC, just because there can never be peace doesn't mean we need to get involved in all the violence and further it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcM Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hans plays with Lotte, Lotte plays with Jane Jane plays with Willi, Willi is happy again Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt Adolf builts a bonfire, Enrico plays with it -Whistling tunes we hid in the dunes by the seaside -Whistling tunes we're kissing baboons in the jungle It's a knockout If looks could kill, they probably will In games without frontiers-war without tears Games without frontiers-war without tears Jeux sans frontieres Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is blue They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games Hiding out in tree-tops shouting out rude names -Whistling tunes we hide in the dunes by the seaside -Whistling tunes we piss on the goons in the jungle It's a knockout If looks could kill they probably will In games without frontiers-wars without tears If looks could kill they probably will In games without frontiers-war without tears Games without frontiers-war without tears Jeux sans frontieres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Laurie_ Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 and it's 1,2,3,4, what are we fighting for?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Well they're ain't no time to wonder why, whopee we're all gonna die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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