Farin Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 but then we always should know both sides of the story... www.bradycampaign.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 This is one of those issues that we could hash and rehash until we are blue in the face. I would like to say how proud of everyone I am that we have had a rational conversation about it with no bickering or name calling or stomping of feet. This is why I love you people here at Songfacts. Let's hug and go back to the debate. ((((SFers)))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcM Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 CC gets my point. Back atcha Kari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 (edited) An awful lot of those accidents and shootings happen because people don't have the knowledge and respect for guns that they should. This is exactly why I dislike guns being as easily available to the general public . No disrespect to the US populace at large , but we all can think of a number of people which it would make us shudder to think that they not only have the right to , but can, get a gun - and may have one - not to mention so many others, as well . Why ? As life is hard and alcohol and drug use/abuse or even severe depression is large in the US ( not to exclude other places - though with less liberal gun laws ) , as well , the dice are getting more loaded against safety . I'm not speaking so much about the criminal element , but ordinary people , who , in a time of crisis ( and we all have them ) may see their gun as a solution before other means . I would prefer to live in a state where I , the unsuspecting bystander ( not innocent necessarily ), do not expect that a run-in with such a person will include gunplay . For those who appreciate weapons ( and I myself can admire the beauty and engineering in a gun ) , I would offer up the old samurai thought that guns are dishonorable - simple , cowardly and impersonal , unfairly lethal , and generally , beyond the normal means of it's wielder . Honestly , I think you have a cancer with this , and only a draconian measure can put a restraint on it . The law abiding persons would turn them in , leaving only scoff-laws and the criminal element for law enforcement to deal with ( much easier I would expect ) . True , that 11 ,000 + is just a number , but - wow , it should be a disgrace and unlikely well defended as culture and history in a sensible debate on the defence of guns in a peaceful , modern society . I have to listen to the ' culture and history ' arguement ( eyes rolling ) , too , anytime the Japanese want to justify something that no longer makes sense but they can't find a logical or sensible way to do so . The US lost 3,000 + on 9/11 and went to war over it ... decisive action if there ever was one - some even argue , draconian ! I point this out only to state that when the will is there , you can do just about anything . Unfortunately , what I often hear on this issue , strikes me more as defeatism or fatalistic views . I don't want to buy that ' we ... are just kind of violent , I guess . ' Having visited many times , enjoyed , and admired the US for many years , ( without incident ) that won't do - you're better than that ! Really , how often are ' situations ' happily resolved by an armed 'good guy ' stepping in to thwart a robbery or dangerous situation - or even defend themselves ? Few enough that I would expect it wouldn't justify arming the populace at large . If someone has picked you out for shooting , you are likely going to be hit first , and in your surprise , or utter shock , be at the mercy of the shooter or fate , anyway . At least consider having arms for merely hunting , sport or collecting with stricter controls as a step back from having to worry about being shot to the degree you have to . I think your brethren in the rest of the world are right on this - no shame in it . Edited August 12, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Don't hunt, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted August 12, 2006 Report Share Posted August 12, 2006 Somewhere in this thread someone stated that if a gun wasn't available to a person who wanted to commit a violent act, that person would find an alternate way to commit the act. In Phoenix last week two men were arrested for a crime spree that spanned a year, where people were being shot randomly while walking down the street, animals were being shot for just existing, several people and animals were killed, many more survived. I submit that had these idiots who had the guns not had access to them, these crimes might never have happened, since their MO was to shoot the victim while driving past. No other weapon would have been so easy to use. We have another serial killer/rapist on the loose who's been at it since May 2005. Again, a gun is being used in these crimes. In these cases (as all across the U.S.) the victims are unarmed. However, had they been armed with even the same weapon as their attacker, it would have not mattered, as the survivors all say they never saw it coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoRacerX36 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 The new avatar says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadows Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 i think all guns should be destroyed. like burnt or something. i dont know. but they should just all go. the world would be a much better place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 How about anything that makes it easy to kill people should be destroyed? that would include bombs and missiles too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 The new avatar says it all. it does indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoRacerX36 Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 How about anything that makes it easy to kill people should be destroyed? that would include bombs and missiles too. Yeah, and automobiles, and butter knives, and golf clubs, and the occassional baseball bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Lively debate is healthy...but I don't believe this is the place for it unless it pertains to music in some way. There are better places to air this type of debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 How about anything that makes it easy to kill people should be destroyed? that would include bombs and missiles too. Just out of curiousity, not saying I agree or disagree with you, but what would you destroy these things with if you're destroying things that are used to destroy? It's quite the paradox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 I think annihilate is a better word. Perhaps like how white noise cancels out regular noise? Something along those lines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Yeah, and automobiles, and butter knives, and golf clubs, and the occassional baseball bat. I said 'EASY'... And the main purpose of the instruments mentioned is not loss of life or human injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Two feets they come a creepin Like a black cat do And two bodies are lyin naked Creeper think he got nothin to lose So he creeps into this house, yeah And unlocks the door And while a man reaching for his trousers Shoots him full of .38 holes (chorus) Its a saturday night special Got a barrel thats blue and cold Aint no good for nothin But put a man six feet in a hole Big jims been drinkin whiskey And playing poker on a losin night Pretty soon, big jim starts a thinkin Somebody been cheatin and lyin So big jim commences to fightin I wouldnt tell you no lie And big jim done grab his pistol Shot his friend right between the eyes (chorus) Hand guns are made for killin Aint no good for nothin else And if you like your whiskey You might even shoot yourself So why dont we dump em people To the bottom of the sea Before some fool come around here Wanna shoot either you or me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Love is but the song we sing, And fear's the way we die You can make the mountains ring Or make the angels cry Know the dove is on the wing And you need not know why C'mon people now, Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try and love one another right now Some will come and some will go We shall surely pass When the one that left us here Returns for us at last We are but a moments sunlight Fading in the grass C'mon people now, Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try and love one another right now If you hear the song I sing, You must understand You hold the key to love and fear All in your trembling hand Just one key unlocks them both It's there at your command C'mon people now, Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try and love one another right now Right now Right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fish Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 How about anything that makes it easy to kill people should be destroyed? that would include bombs and missiles too. How about we destroy crime and human immorality first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Good luck. I'll be rooting for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Love is but the song we sing, And fear's the way we die You can make the mountains ring Or make the angels cry Know the dove is on the wing And you need not know why C'mon people now, Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try and love one another right now Some will come and some will go We shall surely pass When the one that left us here Returns for us at last We are but a moments sunlight Fading in the grass C'mon people now, Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try and love one another right now If you hear the song I sing, You must understand You hold the key to love and fear All in your trembling hand Just one key unlocks them both It's there at your command C'mon people now, Smile on your brother Ev'rybody get together Try and love one another right now Right now Right now! This has got to be the worlds GREATEST SONG!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 How about we destroy crime and human immorality first? the world will be a vast, empty canvas. I feel the need to follow up the above posted songs with a Roger song. You don't have to have heard it to appreciate it - just read the words... powerful stuff... God Gave Me a Gun Military issue now I can trust you're never gonna raise another fist at me again this is how I'll kiss you hollow-tip to tissue stronger than the sword and so much faster than the pen Fare thee well to the infidel your God's name's not spelled the same God gave me a gun God gave me a gun might makes right now whom shall we smite now bullet through the barrel thy will be done God gave me a gun Screaming of the engines bringing down the vengeance hell from the heavens is state of the art tell the ones you love that the hawk's killed the dove and I can save your soul with a bullet through the heart Fare thee well to the infidel your God's name's not spelled the same God gave me a gun God gave me a gun might makes right now whom shall we smite now bullet through the barrel thy will be done God gave me a gun God gave me a gun Made me in his image bade me do some damage now the grapes of wrath are ripe on the vine kill to make us holy kill to make us free take an eye for an eye and make the whole world blind Fare thee well to the infidel your God's name's not spelled the same God gave me a gun God gave me a gun might makes right now whom shall we smite now bullet through the barrel thy will be done God gave me a gun God gave me a gun might makes right now whom shall we smite now bullet through the barrel thy will be done God gave me a gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulGirl Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 in ireland we don't have police. we have gardaà sÃochána, which means defenders of the peace, and they are unarmed. gun crime has become a bit more of a problem in recent times but on the whole i believe the fact that the gardaà are unarmed has kept the criminal aspect largely unarmed. i don't like guns. i don't see the need for them, certainly in my society. i think that gun violence is naturally increased along with gun ownership. i believe that the whole 'right to bear arms' thing is a load of rubbish. the only time a legal gunowner, who keeps his gun at home, will be able to use the gun to defend himself is if someone breaks into their home. in ireland we recently had a case of an elderly man living alone on a farm who had been terrorised by a local traveller and shot the man as he tried to break into his home. he is now serving six years in jail because he shot the man in the back as he was trying to retreat. that man was not a murderer. he was terrified out of his wits and he shot the man to protect himself, then shot him again, presumably because some kind of adrenaline took over. i can't say what i would have done in the same situation but i know i wouldn't have had a gun to begin with. neither did the intruder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 Exactly soulgirl - the right to bear arms - but then the horrible grey area when they have to be used in one's defence . Japan is still shaken somewhat over a 15 year old exchange student , shot dead while out trick -or-treating ( for the first time ) at an unfriendly/ drunken neighbour's house in Louisianna . Of course , the shooter is scott-free as it was considered trespassing . Apparently , the kid didn't understand the English expression ' freeze !' and tried to run ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel2Velvet Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 How about we destroy crime and human immorality first? If I'm not mistaken, I believe the newly crowned Miss Universe promised to take care of all that by the end of 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel2Velvet Posted August 14, 2006 Report Share Posted August 14, 2006 I was reminded again over the weekend how different the physio-social layout is in the USA. In nearly every other location on earth, large walls, borders, partitions (many watched over by domesticated burglar alarms) or other assorted boundaries enclose the home of the occupant. My wife is astonished by the fact that almost anyone in the U.S. can fly/drive/walk up to - and touch - the front door or front window of nearly anyone else's house. Asking Americans to disarm is akin to asking, somewhere else in the world, a homeowner to remove their wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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