miamisammy29 4 Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 It was all Yoko. She was piloting the plane that Buddy Holly died in. Didn't she kill Marvin Gaye, too? Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 It was all Yoko. She was piloting the plane that Buddy Holly died in. Didn't she kill Marvin Gaye, too? Yep ... posing as his father. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 (edited) Look, I'm not just pulling this sheet out of my a$$, there has been some serious investigation inot this matter: http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm John Lennon's Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) file reveals that he was under "constant surveillance." His apartment was watched, he was followed, and his phone was tapped. The FBI did not keep a particularly low profile around the ex-Beatle, apparently attempting to harass him into silence or at least drive him nuts, similar to the tactic they had used on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., just a few short, but eventful years earlier. In late 1972, when the "surveillance" was most annoying, John Lennon told journalist Paul Krassner, "Listen, if anything happens to Yoko and me, it was not an accident." Edited April 22, 2006 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites
miamisammy29 4 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Did George Bush order the assasination of John Lennon? George Bush can't even order a sandwich without screwing it up. Link to post Share on other sites
Shawna 1 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Oh how we have missed you, Sammy. Link to post Share on other sites
miamisammy29 4 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Hey, Shawna. How ya doin'? "Shawna, Shawna, Shawna Jean... Jeannie, Jeannie, Jeannie Shawna." Nice seeing y'all, but I do have to be somewhere, so I can't stay long. See yuz around. Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky 5 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 He's here, and he's gone in a flash.... Hey Sammy! Nice to see you. Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin 3 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 It was all Yoko. " Follow the money ." -- Deepthroat Link to post Share on other sites
edna 6 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 In late 1972, when the "surveillance" was most annoying, John Lennon told journalist Paul Krassner, "Listen, if anything happens to Yoko and me, it was not an accident." That was in 1972, when he was refused his Green Card and the authorities wanted to deport him due to drug use and activism. Nixon was the president. I´m not saying Ronald Reagan was a fan of The Beatles, but at least he had some calm since he got his card in 1976... Besides, it was Yoko everybody wanted to get rid of... which was about to happen after "Double Fantasy" was released and people could listen to her tracks. So someone hired that guy but he was such an ***hole... he failed, he killed the wrong person! Link to post Share on other sites
RonJonSurfer 15 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Yep ... posing as his father. Yoko crashed the plane right into Marvin... Link to post Share on other sites
blind-fitter 0 Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Everybody knows Malcolm McLaren "discovered" John Lennon, and The Sex Pistols killed him because he was the embodiment of "corporate punk". Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 George Bush can't even order a sandwich without screwing it up. The orignal post was in reference to George Bush Sr. Is your comment about a sandwich in reference to him as well?!? Reagan wasn't in office yet when Lennon was assasinated. Bush Sr. was head of the CIA... Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 And if you still don't think that Chapman couldn't have been programed by the CIA to kill Lennon, then you need to read up on Frank Olson. Here's a link: http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Dates/Chronology/Chronology1.html Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 And if you still don't think that Chapman couldn't have been programed by the CIA to kill Lennon, then you need to read up on Frank Olson. I don't feel anyone here would dispute that the CIA is ABLE to arrange someone be harrassed, scandalized or even assassinated, Paul. The question should always come back to motive. You seem to be an avid reader of conspiracy plot information. And while there is heartfelt effort put into documenting what many authors you quote would swear to be the truth about your pet subjects, I would just recommend that you be an independent thinker for this moment. In order for the CIA to ramp up this operation to assassinate Lennon, the approval to do so would have had to have been given well in advance to its execution. I suggest George Bush had bigger fish to fry than to toy with this popular icon. Given that Mr. Bush, as president during the 1991 Gulf War, could not bring himself to order the non-UN sanctioned assassination of his nemisis, Saddam Hussein, even when he had him in his sights and could have easily pulled that trigger; it makes less sense still that while starting to test his own political viability in Washington as CIA director, he would callously and with not a single concern about his political future, try to pull off what you are suggesting. Even CIA directors - especially those with further political ambitions, perhaps even to occupy the White House - do not just arbitrarily pick targets for assassinations. Perhaps they do in novels or Oliver Stone movies, but not in real life. The layered bureaucracy found in DC departments does not aid in hiding individual activity in covert politics, but actually makes it harder to accomplish secrecy with any hope of a leakless plot. Do you not think an insider leak would have surfaced to point to Mr. Bush prior to his recieving the Republican nomination for president, were he the hitman puppeteer in the Lennon Affair? Do you not think he was investigated thoroughly for such abuses of power by his own party, not to mention the opposition parties prior to the 1980 elections? (When he was the vice-presidential candidate.) Now, if he was not the prime mover for this assassination, that would mean that Mr. Bush's superior must have authorized the execution of this covert plan. Now, I did not vote for him, nor do I think he was an especially effective president; but I'll be hornswaggled if I will buy off on Jimmy Carter ordering John Lennon's assassination! Perhaps if you stop reading the self-revealing rants of conspirists and use your own powers of deduction, you will not buy off on a Carter/Bush collaboration to rid the world of John Lennon either. Link to post Share on other sites
bazooka 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 there has been some serious investigation inot this matter Y'mean Like this (<) Stephen King didn't cover his tracks well enough! Pay careful attention to the irrefutable 'Government Codes' section. Dig A Pony Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Y'mean Like this (<) Stephen King didn't cover his tracks well enough! Pay careful attention to the irrefutable 'Government Codes' section. Dig A Pony Hmmm, very interesting... Link to post Share on other sites
Shawna 1 Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Ron, I just love reading your writing. Doesn't matter what it is, it's always well thought out and well articulated. And often times it makes it almost spew soda out my nose. I just thought you should know. Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Ron, I just love reading your writing. Doesn't matter what it is, it's always well thought out and well articulated. And often times it makes it almost spew soda out my nose. I just thought you should know. That whole nose-soda-spew thing was a bit more than I needed to know, but hey, Shawna, thanks for your support. It's comments like yours that keep me spewing my drivel as well. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 But wasn't George HW Bush the head of the CIA? No one is saying Jimmy Carter would have ordered this. But there was a lot of Right WIng hatred for John Lennon back in the 60s and 70s. ANd I think we all know what those crazy Right WIngers are capable of... Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Not only is the above logic convoluted, but the quotes are credited in reverse! How'd you manage that? Hey ..... you're not trying some kind of mind control stuff on ME; are you? Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Not only is the above logic convoluted, but the quotes are credited in reverse! How'd you manage that? Hey ..... you're not trying some kind of mind control stuff on ME; are you? No, I dont knwo how that happened--I get sloppy sometimes. But what do you mean that my logic is convoluted? Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 It is convoluted to think the rightwing would pluck one of their own (I believe the killer claimed to be a born again Christian) to do the deed. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Well that's just wrong. Is there anything else that you find convoluted or is this the only thing--because i cna prove to you that Chapman was not one of the "Right Wings's own" if that's what you are claiming... Link to post Share on other sites
bazooka 0 Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I've got a bridge you might be interested in. Are you serious? Were you born yesterday? Do you have an ounce of skeptism? Have you seen the Alien Autopsy tape? You know, you can learn to achieve lifelong bliss through the Maharaji. And John Edward can probably get the straight scoop for us by contacting a 'passed' relative whose name starts with an M, or maybe a G. Link to post Share on other sites
Steel2Velvet 0 Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 ... Is there anything else that you find convoluted ... No Paul, I find a great deal in this thread to be so convoluted that it is making me dizzy .... so I will pass out of this thread and stagger toward greener pastures. Link to post Share on other sites
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