PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) I think they explotied Punk and in the process ruined it... http://generation-add.blogspot.com/2012/04/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about.html Edited March 23, 2013 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites
NewYorkMets9 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Well you've convinced me. I usually listen to arguments with absolutely no explanation, poor spelling, poor grammar, and no real point. Link to post Share on other sites
Batman 2 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 "Nevermind the Bollocks" was like "Tales From Topographic Oceans" in that they represent everything people hate about punk and prog, respectively. Link to post Share on other sites
edna 9 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Well, they were stars... punks are not supposed to be stars. At least, Syd Vicious went the right way into the legend... Link to post Share on other sites
blind-fitter 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 I think they explotied Punk and in the process ruined it... By the way: "Never Mind The Bollocks" is one of the best (and most culturally significant) rock albums ever made, whether you call it "punk" or not. Link to post Share on other sites
katie_sane 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 I don't think The Sex Pistols killed punk rock, that thing was dead before it started Just kidding....The Sex Pistols certainly popularised the punk movement (something which my much adored Ramones had little success at). Link to post Share on other sites
edna 9 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 The Sex Pistols certainly popularised the punk movement (something which my much adored Ramones had little success at). The Ramones are basically ROCK... then, I´d also call them punk, maybe... Long Live Ramones! BF!!! I´m very glad to see you back!! Link to post Share on other sites
callmeanimal 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Did Punk Rock kill the Sex Pistols? Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 I think one of the things that seperated Punk from Rock was that Punk was intentionally taking a pi** on the established Music Industry--punk didnt want their songs on the radio, they didnt want to play to jocks and hipsters in huge arenas, they didnt want 'polished' and slickly produced albums and songs, and because of this the developed a DIY attitude. Link to post Share on other sites
bazooka 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 --punk didnt want their songs on the radio, they didnt want to play to jocks and hipsters in huge arenas, they didnt want 'polished' and slickly produced albums and songs so punk is fait accompli, n'est-ce pas ? Link to post Share on other sites
Jugband_Blues 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 i think the clash and the ramones were better. but i don't know if they killed punk. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 How about if you try reading a book called Too Much Too Soon--which is the NY Dolls story. Or a book called England is Dreaming and another called From the Velvets to the Voidoids or a book called Please Kill Me. They all make it pretty clear that the Sex Pistols were fabricated with the motive of getting fame, attentions and money. Malcolm McLaren stole the look and attitude for the Sex Pistols from Richard Hell. He made them into a bunch of posuers--I cant believe anyone could have really teken them serioiusly except for old British geezers who were so out of it that they really thought that a snotty teenage boy band could overthrow the Queen. 'The Great Rock-n-Roll' swindle was as choreagraphed as a BackStreet Boys video. I admit there was some talent in the Sex Pistols, but Malcom exploited 'punk' to make fame and money, that's why I want to wrap people upside the head who say the Sex pistols invented Punk or they were the greatest punk band, etc. They exploited punk and killed it. Link to post Share on other sites
NewYorkMets9 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Too Much Too Soon--which is the NY Dolls story. Or a book called England is Dreaming and another called From the Velvets to the Voidoids or a book called Please Kill Me. They all make it pretty clear that the Sex Pistols were fabricated with the motive of getting fame, attentions and money. Malcolm McLaren stole the look and attitude for the Sex Pistols from Richard Hell. He made them into a bunch of posuers--I cant believe anyone could have really teken them serioiusly except for old British geezers who were so out of it that they really thought that a snotty teenage boy band could overthrow the Queen. 'The Great Rock-n-Roll' swindle was as choreagraphed as a BackStreet Boys video. I admit there was some talent in the Sex Pistols, but Malcom exploited 'punk' to make fame and money, that's why I want to wrap people upside the head who say the Sex pistols invented Punk or they were the greatest punk band, etc. They exploited punk and killed it. That's more like it, buddy. That post is actually coherent. Link to post Share on other sites
Cheval Noir 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 How about if you try reading a book called Too Much Too Soon--which is the NY Dolls story. Or a book called England is Dreaming and another called From the Velvets to the Voidoids or a book called Please Kill Me. They all make it pretty clear that the Sex Pistols were fabricated with the motive of getting fame, attentions and money. Malcolm McLaren stole the look and attitude for the Sex Pistols from Richard Hell. He made them into a bunch of posuers--I cant believe anyone could have really teken them serioiusly except for old British geezers who were so out of it that they really thought that a snotty teenage boy band could overthrow the Queen. 'The Great Rock-n-Roll' swindle was as choreagraphed as a BackStreet Boys video. I admit there was some talent in the Sex Pistols, but Malcom exploited 'punk' to make fame and money, that's why I want to wrap people upside the head who say the Sex pistols invented Punk or they were the greatest punk band, etc. They exploited punk and killed it. What the PUNK?! This post is made of WIN Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyguitar 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 By the way: "Never Mind The Bollocks" is one of the best (and most culturally significant) rock albums ever made, whether you call it "punk" or not. I think this was just a lame attempt to smoke you out....or didn't you already say that? Link to post Share on other sites
blind-fitter 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 You blooming well know I did. Where the heckity-heck have you been, when I needed you? Link to post Share on other sites
blind-fitter 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 I cant believe anyone could have really teken them serioiusly except for old British geezers who were so out of it that they really thought that a snotty teenage boy band could overthrow the Queen. Steady on, mate, that's me you're talking about.... Link to post Share on other sites
daslied 1 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Well, you didn't overthrow the Queen, but she's essentially useless at this point, no? And you will counter with "When wasn't she?" Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 How old were you in '77? 12 or 13, right? Were you into Brit Punk at that time? Link to post Share on other sites
bazooka 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 How old were you in '77? 12 or 13, right? Were you into Brit Punk at that time? You mean at the time when you were 8 in Chicago (The Home of the Blues) ? Where can we turn to, now, for those willfully unpolished, hopefully unpopular songs not to be broadcast that we crave ? Link to post Share on other sites
blind-fitter 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 How old were you in '77? 12 or 13, right? Were you into Brit Punk at that time? Truth be told, at that age (which you estimate correctly),I was into the stuff you heard on the Top40 radio show and saw on Top Of The Pops. So I liked the more commercial end of punk: Buzzcocks, Stranglers, Blondie, Rezillos, Undertones, Ruts, etc. as well as allsorts of other pop stuff besides. Having older brothers meant I did get to hear some of the heavier stuff from time to time. It was 1980, when I was 15 that I got really heavily into punk, and remained so for many years. I'm reasonably articulate and pretty well-read: it's several months since I recommended certain SFers read "England's Dreaming" for an informed critique of the naissance of punk /The Sex Pistols. I've rambled on enough times around here about punk and The Pistols: I really can't be bothered to deconstruct the argument you have posited above. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. My views can be found elsewhere on SF, if you search thoroughly enough. Link to post Share on other sites
daslied 1 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 This was a good one, if I remember correctly... http://forum.songfacts.com/showtopic.php?tid/138647/ Link to post Share on other sites
johnnyguitar 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Great link Das...I'd forgotten how good we were...seems the older I get the better I was. I'm off again for a while...tried to do someone a favour and got misinterpreted and misrepresented and generally, I cocked up again... Keep it real for JG Link to post Share on other sites
PaulEdwardWagemann 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 (edited) I've lived in Chicago since 1991, before that I lived in small 'River' towns in Central Illinois (along the Illinois River). When I was 8 I had a step father who was only 21. He listened to stuff like Aerosmith, Uriah Heep, Styx, Doobie brothers, Jethro Tull, etc. He had an 8-track player and a CB radio in his van (tht had shag carpeting, a bed and mirrors on the ceiling) so I was very much ensconced in the 'Dazed and Confused' environment as portrayed in the movie (although the movie was set in a small town in Texas it was exactly like the small towns I grew up at in Illinois). Edited April 19, 2006 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites
bazooka 0 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 My point was ... uh I guess I didn't have a point. ----------------- What I still don't get: Is it your concept that one of the punk 'missions' is to be 'not sucessful', achieve no mass appeal or fortune? If so, isn't being 'killed' just about perfect ? Link to post Share on other sites
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