RonJonSurfer Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 So the Sex Pistols didn't kill punk rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJonSurfer Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 (edited) This is worth the price of admission though: http://blog.myspace.com/paulewagemann http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=66316956 Edited May 22, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyguitar Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yikes! Have I been a sucker, or what???! To think I've nearly lost my job and access to my children on account of this loser.... Thanks for the tip-off, Mr Mitty: I only wish you'd turned up about 6 weeks ago... I think I did try to warn you...but you still like a good mass debate Honest...it'll make you go blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I think I did try to warn you... To be fair, johnny, you warned me of his oafishness, which I think I had already spotted. This "sad loner with a screw loose" stuff is new information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggsUK Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Of course, Walter Mitty could be a rational, all-knowing incarnation of Mr Wagermann... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 So are you saying that England would be different today if the Sex Pistols never existed? If so, then what specifically would have been different? Well, yes Paul. I am saying that. Even my eldest brother, (no more a punk than my mother), would probably agree with that.... But I tell you what...why don't you pop over sometime when we've both got a free weekend: we can hit the reefer and talk "parallel universe scenarios". Bring the family along, it'll be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyguitar Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Bring the Family is a wonderful album by John Hiatt...saw him last year...fantastic songwriter with a huge catalogue of hummable tunes, some of them even a bit challenging...try humming a 'punk' tune and you'll soon realise the difference between 'music' and 'sounds'...the moment you can hum the melody...it stops being 'punk' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 } Whaddaloada pony: I hum "punk tunes" all the time. 'Guitar: you have a "Sex Pistols" avatar. I might have reasonably expected a more supportive contribution from you in this debate. Where's your spine, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyguitar Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I think we may have stumbled upon the 'crux of the biscuit' (that's French for 'twice cooked...by-the-way) as Zappa definitely said...'Punk' was meant to have thrown all previous musical life-forms into the bin...and, indeed, many of the offerings of the punk genre did do that...but, unfortunately for them, memetics, (look it up) ensures that anything 'un-musical'...i.e. 'unfit'is destined to eventually die....all that will survive is certain to have a 'melodic' content...hence the survival of the Sex Pistols and the Buzcocks...against their less melodic rivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 You've lost me...are you suggesting that The Pistols couldn't have been "punk" because they were too tuneful? In comparison to which of their "rivals" exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 'Punk' was meant to have thrown all previous musical life-forms into the bin... Don't you think that was a bit of an exaggeration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyguitar Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 No....almost the opposite...the sex pistols were what they were because they beautifully perfected the 'art' of being exactly on the 'cusp' between the musical and the un-musical...for a while...they did guitar solos (remember?) but they were short and shite...they did 'riffs' (but they were short and simple...as opposed to long and 'hard' qv 'Led Zeppelin') They did melodies...but they were short, hummabble, but un-harmonised...any fool could repeat them....ooo, errrr, 'urry up 'arry....any fool did.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole purpose of punk rock to be simple and either enjoyable or pissed off? It isn't meant to be analyzed! So no, I don't think the Sex Pistols killed punk rock, but this thread might be doing it. I think I'm going to go listen to the Dead Kennedys and weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcM Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Good lord, here we go again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiggsUK Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 And another thing.... "urry up 'airy camel" is far more hummable than most songs of the gendre, Sex Pistols included.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEdwardWagemann Posted May 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 (edited) Sorry for that Walter Mitty character who showed up here--theres some people out there who like chasing me around some of the messageboards I subscribe to and hassling me...I guess I have that affect on psychotic people (?!?) I just ignore them and I hope they dont come here and bother all of you folks here. Like I said before, I have actually been treated real nice here and I appreciate it. Also are you serious about letting me stay at your place if I ever come to England? My kids only 4 months old right now, but maybe in a year or two we could make the trip... Edited May 25, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterMitty Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I believe folks were beginning to draw their own conclusions before I said anything. I note you were banned from the NME (New Musical Express) boards yesterday too, one of the most permissive music boards on the net. I agree, the users of this board are nice, which is why I felt compelled to give them the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole purpose of punk rock to be simple and either enjoyable or pissed off? It isn't meant to be analyzed! So no, I don't think the Sex Pistols killed punk rock, but this thread might be doing it. I think I'm going to go listen to the Dead Kennedys and weep. OK, I will. The "whole purpose of punk rock" is debatable. Not meant to be analysed? Why on earth not? Until very recently, our debate focussed more on punk as a "cultural phenomenon", rather than on the genre's aesthetic appeal. To consider "punk rock" as being only concerned with simplicity and anger sells the subject short...As I suggested earlier: in the UK, punk is still regarded by many as a pivotal point in the history of popular music- a "watershed", if you like. That seems to render it a valid topic for discussion. I can't see that by debating and analysing the phenomenon of "punk", we are doing any harm at all. If one or two people learn something they didn't already know, we might even do a tiny bit of good. Part of the purpose of a "music forum", I would suggest. To draw an analogy: "disco music" is basically geared to getting people up on the dance floor, right? Could hardly be simpler. We could just say "no further analysis required". Then we would never look at the genesis of dance-music, consider why "pure dance music" has been much more popular at some times than others, discuss the evolution of the genre and/or its cultural significance, its relationships with other genres, etc. Which would be "our loss". Discussion is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Also are you serious about letting me stay at your place if I ever come to England? My kids only 4 months old right now, but maybe in a year or two we could make the trip... Good question. I wouldn't want to rule it out altogether, but first you'll have to convince me that I wouldn't wake up to find a sack over my head and my wife and children butchered in their beds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslied Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 B-F, you're the coolest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLizard Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Point taken BF. I shall rethink my... thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulEdwardWagemann Posted May 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Why would you offer me to stay at your place in the first place if you really thought I was capable of that kind of behavior? I promise the worst I'll do is leave the toilet seat up or eat the last of your snack crackers and try to blame it on the dog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 ...and try to blame it on the dog... Quick, someone google Son of Sam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day and Queen Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 (edited) I think one of the things that seperated Punk from Rock was that Punk was intentionally taking a pi** on the established Music Industry--punk didnt want their songs on the radio, they didnt want to play to jocks and hipsters in huge arenas, they didnt want 'polished' and slickly produced albums and songs, and because of this the developed a DIY attitude. Okay, now THAT is just being stereotypical. Edited May 28, 2006 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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