Sweet Jane 61 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Another work discussion here folks! Of course this week back in 1971 Janis Joplin's album "Pearl" went to number 1 on the charts. Well I was talking to my boss and he said would Janis have been as big as she was if she had lived? I was like, well of course! Janis was one of a kind, and a great blues artist. Then he brought up Hendrix, Morrison, Stevie Ray and said would they have lasted and still be making albums. Ok by now I am getting a little fired up. Morrison I gave him that one, Jim was on his way out when he died I feel. And if he hadn't of died I think he would have just vanished anyway. Janis, she had so much more to give to us, her fans. She was coming into her own, finding in her soul what she wanted to share with us, she would have lasted. Hendrix, please, his musicial genius had just been scratched at the surface. I can't even begin to imagine what he would have given us. And Stevie Ray, he was sober and making the best music of his short career. And he was giving us music that is now very popular, blues/rock. He was a star that didn't get to shine for very long. What we missed out on with the loss of these artists is for only us to imagine, but I feel in my soul it would have been great. Any opinions, do you think they would have faded away?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Laurie_ Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 I pretty much agree with you on this Jane......I think Stevie Ray probably would of been getting together with Clapton and BB king to record and perform....that would of been a cool trio right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Jane 61 Posted March 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Well Clapton did say that he didn't know how he was going to go on stage after Stevie. He was very impressed with him. I am sure they would have been recording, no doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJonSurfer Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 I can't say for sure if their careers would have continued to grow, but I can say for sure that I would have loved the opportunity to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakin Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Funny, I just had a similar discussion last night with the wife about Led Zep.. In Through the Out Door, while a good album, was not anywhere near the strongest material the mighty Zep had ever put out.. And Presence, the one before that, was one of their worst sellers... I wonder if they would have retained their status if Bonham hadn't died. I mean, look at Plant's solo stuff after they broke up. The first few albums were so quiet fluffy pop.. Page had lost the ability to write a good riff hook, he was playing sloppy and uninteresting stuff. I wonder if they would've faded away, instead of remaining the legends they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennon25 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 I'm not too sure about Zepplin. Personally, 'not their strongest material' is being very kind. I love Zep, don't get me wrong, but it took them 3 years to get an album together and it should have been a lot better than it was. Presence was a good album regardless of whether or not it sold well. I at least felt the effort was there and I don't think it was on the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkMets9 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 I don't think the relative mediocrity of Presence and ITTOD had to do with a lack of effort or creativity, but was more caused by drugs. If John Bonham had lived and the band had gotten some help with their drug problems, who knows how great they could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennon25 Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 That may be true, but that is a big 'if' they got help with the drug problem. Then again they may have just called it quits after ITTOD like The Who did after their final debacle...the 'You Better You Bet' album. I don't recall the actual name but then go on a half a dozen Farewell tours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie_sane Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I think John Lennon was only just starting when he was murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_M Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I think it was more like he was starting over, not just starting. Before he was murdered, he had a lot of solo albums and he also was a member of The Beatles for many years. You should check it out, Katie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakin Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Absolutely, I adore Presence, it's a great album. But one of the reasons, of course, for the huge timegap, was Plant having that horrible car accident, and not even knowing if he'd ever walk again.. Presence was recorded while he was in a wheelchair. As for ITTOD, I was listening to Fool in the Rain the other day which is what brought this all up. I mean, let's be honest. That song is all John Paul.. He singlehandedly saved that album. Page can barely play the rhythm bits in the background, much less that awful awful solo he throws in there.. It sounds more like a seizure than a solo. And as for whether they would've gone on.. Well, let's look at them now, cleaned up and what they did as Page/Plant. Walking into Clarksdale is one of the single worst albums I own.. Page's solo album, and the stuff with the Firm.. Well, it's not good. And by the way, I agree, I am a huge Zep fan.. I'm just a realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Going way back, I think Buddy Holly had so much left to do. Remember he was only 21 when he died. Jimi, Janice, Stevie Ray they had fantastic talent,they would have easily endured. Jim Morrison was a drunk who wrote bad poetry. Led Zep, the air was coming out of their balloon towards the end. That's normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Jane 61 Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Phil, thanks for reminding us of Buddy Holly. He was a great talent and yes so very young. When I read your post I also thought of Jim Croce. He wrote wonderful songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkMets9 Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 As for ITTOD, I was listening to Fool in the Rain the other day which is what brought this all up. I mean, let's be honest. That song is all John Paul.. Come on, Bonham's half-time shuffle is absolutely incredible on that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daslied Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 ^I agree with the shuffle comment. For what it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incesticide Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Jim Morrison was a drunk who wrote bad poetry. Yes, and hendrix was a silly fool who played the guitar the wrong way round... ^ sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakin Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Well, okay, this is true.. But I was going more for the whole Page comparison than anything.. In the earlier days, their music often evolved (or revolved) around Page's riffs.. Most of their biggest stuff is instantly recognizable by a larger than life guitar riff.. And on ITTOD, it's like they tried to hide the guitar in the mix sometimes because he was so out of it. (at least, that's my impression) So, yes, the rest of the band was spot on, definitely, but JPJ did most of the arranging, which is what I meant, for the most part. And Buddy Holly, absolutely! Man, could we have used more of him.. Jeff Buckley, too, for a more modern reference. Terrible pity he died so young, he was full of promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazed_and_Confused Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Well wasn't In Through the Out Door during the height of Jimmy's heroin addiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blind-fitter Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Yes, and hendrix was a silly fool who played the guitar the wrong way round... ^ sarcasm I don't think Phil's by any means alone in thinking that Jim Morrison was hugely overrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I don't think Phil's by any means alone in thinking that Jim Morrison was hugely overrated... Yeah, but who isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakin Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yeah, but who isn't? I'm not overrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 I'll decide for my favorite broken up/dead classic rock bands: Hendrix - Well, he was becoming a better guitarist, and working with better musicians near his death. I figure he would experiment with funk a lot in the 70's. He probably would have died out in the 80's though. Led Zeppelin - If Page's and Plant's solo careers and "In Through the Out Door" are an indicator of what was to come, they would have faded out even more than they already were. Pink Floyd - I think they'd still be going strong if they didn't have such big egos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_s_1987 Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 These are some bands/artists whose final two or three albums I think were excellent, and could have gone on to produce more excellent albums if they hadn't split/died: - The Beatles (obviously) - Pink Floyd - Jimi Hendrix - Cream (but I guess Clapton's later work compensated for that) - As much as I would like to say Led Zeppelin, I don't think I will - Can't think of any others yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 I have to say, the only song from ITTOD that I like is Carouselambra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afroceltduck Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 First of all, thanks to Malakin for mentioning Jeff Buckley. The 4-track tapes on his last "album" were a bit rough, but let's remember they were just 4-track tapes. With a bit of arrangement and studio sparkle, I'm sure Jeff would have turned them into masterpieces. Led Zeppelin - I've not heard their last two albums (I only own IV at this point) so I don't know how they would have done had Bonham survived. I think Plant is still making great music even if he can't hit the high notes. Jimi Hendrix - Wow, Hendrix is a tricky one. I agree with the poster above who said Hendrix might have experimented with funk. Listen to "Message To Love" and tell me that's not funk. I do know that Hendrix was getting weary of being a huge star, so I wonder what he would have done to avoid that stardom. Asking what kind of music Hendrix would have made after year 27 is like asking what God would have done with an 8th day. It blows your mind just to think about it. I know he's not really "rock" but what about Roy Orbison? At the time of his death, he was still making great music and his voice was strong as ever. I don't know how long he'd continue had he lived, but I know he'd give us some great stuff as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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