Shawna Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 sounds to me like he's a brave man - when he's ordering others to be killed. When it's his turn, he soils his shorts and cries "inhumane!" Did the people he ordered killed have the kind of recourse he sought with Arnie? Okay, then, up the anthill with a full load of honey for you, sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Punishment should be delivered immediately after the crme is committed. The time gap should be as short as possible so that the association is formed in the brain between the crime and the resultant punishment. That would work. Otherwise if it's too far off in the future, the guy won't really consider the punishment the consequence of the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Radhi - you nailed that one. It's how you train animals too! If they do something wrong, you can't come back to them in an hour, a day, a week, a month... and punish them for peeing on the carpet. They won't have a clue why they're being punished! Excellent observation, girl. Put that in a memo and submit it to the higher powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJonSurfer Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Follow up story.... Calif. Executes Oldest Death Row Inmate By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer SAN QUENTIN, Calif. - California executed its oldest death row inmate early Tuesday, minutes after his 76th birthday, despite arguments that putting to death an elderly, blind and wheelchair-bound man was cruel and unusual punishment. Clarence Ray Allen was pronounced dead at 12:38 a.m. at San Quentin State Prison. He became the second-oldest inmate put to death nationally since the Supreme Court allowed capital punishment to resume in 1976. Allen, who was blind and mostly deaf, suffered from diabetes and had a nearly fatal heart attack in September only to be revived and returned to death row, was assisted into the death chamber by four large correctional officers and lifted out of his wheelchair. His lawyers had raised two claims never before endorsed by the high court: that executing a frail old man would violate the Constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment, and that the 23 years he spent on death row were unconstitutionally cruel as well. The high court rejected his requests for a stay of execution about 10 hours before he was to be put to death. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied Allen clemency Friday. Allen went to prison for having his teenage son's 17-year-old girlfriend murdered for fear she would tell police about a grocery-store burglary. While behind bars, he tried to have witnesses in the case wiped out, prosecutors said. He was sentenced to death in 1982 for hiring a hit man who killed a witness and two bystanders. "Allen deserves capital punishment because he was already serving a life sentence for murder when he masterminded the murders of three innocent young people and conspired to attack the heart of our criminal justice system," state prosecutor Ward Campbell said. Allen expressed his love for family, friends and the other death-row inmates in a final statement read by Warden Steve Ornoski. Allen ended his statement by saying, "It's a good day to die. Thank you very much. I love you all. Goodbye." The family of one of Allen's victims, Josephine Rocha, issued a statement saying that "justice has prevailed today." "Mr. Allen abused the justice system with endless appeals until he lived longer in prison than the short 17 years of Josephine's life," the statement said. Last month in Mississippi, John B. Nixon, 77, became the oldest person executed in the United States since capital punishment resumed. He did not pursue an appeal based on his age. Allen's case generated less attention than last month's execution of Crips gang co-founder Stanley Tookie Williams, whose case set off a nationwide debate over the possibility of redemption on death row, with Hollywood stars and capital punishment foes arguing that Williams had made amends by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs. There were only about 200 people gathered outside the prison gates before Allen's execution, about one-tenth of the crowd that came out last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I agree with Radhi...there should be a time limit to how long you can appeal your sentence...after that, sorry, buddy, you're toast...doesn't matter if you're old or sick or whatever. I also agree with Amy, if somebody hurts my kid, they better call 911 because I will thrash them to within an inch of their life and then do like Shawna and stick them on a fire ant hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levis Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Now that his crime's long gone... even the people don't find it so heinous. Apparently writing children's books is a 'get out of jail free' card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edna Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Apparently writing children's books is a 'get out of jail free' card. That was the previous one... the last one to be executed didn´t write books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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