Bobo Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 The music teacher at my college warns against us using the term "R and B" when referring to Rhythm And Blues, as this is a different style to the modern type of "R and B", styled "Rhythm and Bass". Personally, I don't see why the two can't be utilized for both terms - though sometimes, I hear an R and B track on the radio and think "Where's the blues in that." It would make more sense to me personally if Rhythm and BASS was designated for R and B, permanently, and Rhythm and Blues, was... maybe given a different name. Rhythm and purples? Rhythm and yellows? Time to change my Songfacts background, methinks! Love and mercy Matt I've always wondered, what does R&B stand for? I heard it was Rythym&Blues but I've also heard Rythym&Bass. The first one makes more sense. What does it stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 The music teacher at my college warns against us using the term "R and B" when referring to Rhythm And Blues, as this is a different style to the modern type of "R and B", styled "Rhythm and Bass". Personally, I don't see why the two can't be utilized for both terms - though sometimes, I hear an R and B track on the radio and think "Where's the blues in that." It would make more sense to me personally if Rhythm and BASS was designated for R and B, permanently, and Rhythm and Blues, was... maybe given a different name. Rhythm and purples? Rhythm and yellows? Time to change my Songfacts background, methinks! Love and mercy Matt I'll adjust to today's evolution of categories and terminology from Rhythm and Blues to Rhythm and Bass... thanks here's more history... reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 I'll take a look at that allmusic link, see what they believe concerning the matter. Thanks for the link. Love and mercy I'll adjust to today's evolution of categories and terminology from Rhythm and Blues to Rhythm and Bass... thanks here's more history... reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazooka Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 "... The term "Rhythm and Blues" was coined in 1947 by Jerry as a replacement for the terms "race music" "sepia music" and "Harlem Hits Parade" during a reorganization of the Billboard charts ... Race records were born when recording companies realized there was money to be made marketing music by black artists to black consumers. ..." See these pages about R & B and race records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazooka Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Even today "R & B" seems to be a catch-all record chart codeword for music by Black artists, from Luther Vandross to Ludacris. (The term "Urban" is a more recent alternative.) But I think of R & B (rhythm and blues) as that part of traditionally Black music that was mixed and melted in to early rock 'n' roll. "I got the rockin' pneumonia I need a shot of rhythm and blues... Well early in the mornin' I'm givin' you my warnin' Don't you step on my blue suede shoes ... Roll over Beethoven, dig these rhythm and blues" - from Roll Over Beethoven by Chuck Berry "Well grandpa done got rhythm And he threw his crutches down Oh, the old boy done got rhythm and blues And he threw that crutches down Grandma he ain't triflin' Well the old boy's rhythm bound ... Rock, bop, rhythm and blues Rhythm and Blues, it must be going 'round" - from Boppin' the Blues by Carl Perkins Carl Perkins, who wrote Blue Suede Shoes (< click), was first and foremost a rockabilly artist*. But it's clear to see how he and Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis and other early rockers were influenced by Black music. Chuck Berry's reference to Blue Suede Shoes demonstrated that there was a "whole lotta shakin' goin' on" musically at that time. Oh, and a few of my R & B favorites are Big Boss Man by Jimmy Reed Turn On Your Love Light by Bobby "Blue" Bland Baby, Scratch My Back by Slim Harpo * Remarkably, Blue Suede Shoes caused Perkins to show up on R & B charts in 1956. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Another major label from the '50's and '60's was Atlantic Records with artists like: Ruth Brown the Clovers the Drifters Ray Charles Ben E. King Wilson Pickett Eddie Floyd Clarence Carter the Spinners and ARETHA Franklin Atlantic Rhythm and Blues 1947 - 1974 (8 cd box set) allmusic.com/atlantic (scroll down for chronological track listings) there's some crossover with the Stax/Volt box set because of a distribution deal back then between the two labels :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Here's a smaller independent label during the early days... artists include: the Spaniels Big Jay McNeely Jimmy Reed Priscilla Bowman the Dells the El Dorados Vee-Jay Rhythm and Blues: the Early Years, Part 1 and 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzikTyme Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Now that's some R & B. Sure does beat R & C. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazooka Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 I think what you consider to be "R & B" is a factor how old you are. Elwood Blues (Dan Akroyd) called the Blues Brothers show a "Rhythm and Blues Review". Most folks well over 30, like me, would agree that the best of what the Blues Brothers do is honest-to-goodness R & B. Today, what's named "R & B" seems to be Hip-Hop and some soulful romantic ballads. correction: It was Jerry Wexler (< click) great innovative producer of "immaculate funk" who coined the term "rhythm and blues" (in 1947 by one account, 1949 by another) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybalt Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 The Great White Rhythm & Blues Album Cardiac Party by Jack Mack and the Heart Attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Etta James ('61 Chess Records) and Wynonie Harris (King Records '47-'54) Fontella Bass and Modern Records label with artists like: Ike & Tina Turner / Jesse Belvin / Lowell Fulson and Roscoe Gordon Ike ('50's) and Tina Turner ('66 with Phil Spector and his Wall of Sound production) albums: :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious_Peaches Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 BB, I knew this thread would stir something inside you. Thanks for all the great input. "At Last" is one of my top 5 songs. Such emotion in Etta's voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 There's lots of artists that deserve recognition!... I'll bet Etta learned alot from listening to Billie Holiday More Etta James... allmusic.com/etta Here's one of the premiere oldies British labels... (also...Hotlinks) acerecords.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hank Ballard and the Midnighters - Greatest Jukebox Hits '58 Jackie Wilson - Higher and Higher '67 Ray Charles The Birth of a Legend and Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music '62 Junior Walker - Shotgun '65 Otis Redding - Pain in My Heart '64 Best of Jerry Butler The Chordettes - Mainly Rock and Roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazooka Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 More R & B favorites: Wang Dang Doodle - Koko Taylor. Written by Willie Dixon, and also performed by Howlin' Wolf. Later covered by the Pointer Sisters. Koko Taylor is called "Queen of the Blues". I Thank You and Wrap It Up - Sam and Dave. Thank you was written by Isaac Hayes and David Porter. It was covered by ZZ Top. Wrap It Up was covered by the Fabulous Thunderbirds. I'm Blue - The Ikettes. The Ikettes were Ike & Tina Turner's back-up singers. This song is also known as the "gong-gong song". It was used in the excellent John Waters movie "Hairspray". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 Here's some more.. King Curtis ('62 - '65) and Earl Bostic ( '46- '64) then The Contours '62 and Johnny Otis Dusty Springfield '64, '67, '69 more Earl Bostic - '56 release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybalt Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Johnny Otis (< click) used to live in my local area, and performed on a regular basis. Seven or eight years ago, I was privileged to see the Johnny Otis Show, a fantastic Rhythm & Blues Review with numerous performers, as the finale to one of the annual outdoor Red Beans & Rice Music Festivals that Otis organized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 I got to see his Revue back in '71. Great Show! I also taped his radio show back at KPFK ? (Los Angeles) during the '80s. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybalt Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Ninety-Nine And A Half (Won't Do) Wilson Pickett Everthing I Do Gohn Be Funky (From Now On) Lee Dorsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybalt Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 and Treat Her Like A Lady Cornelius Brothers and Sister Rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 more Johnny Otis Show '71 with - Esther Phillips Eddie Vinson JoeTurner Ivory Joe Hunter Roy Milton Roy Brown Pee Wee Crayton most in the sunset of their careers... and Shuggie Otis then Sam Cooke '64 James Brown - Night Train '61 and 40th Anniversary Collection LaVern Baker - Soul on Fire and Little Anthony and the Imperials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybalt Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 The Who's 4 CD Box Set and Live Perfomances DVD are titled 30 Years of Maximum R & B. Seem misnamed, don't you think? --------------------- Artists deserving greater recognition: Johnny "Guitar" Watson the Original Gangster of Love Ernie K-Doe Benny Spellman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesboy Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 Tybalt, You're exactly right about The Who - Rock,rock,rock all the way... Can you expand a bit more on Ernie K-Doe and Is Benny Spellman the original 'Fortune Teller' ? Thanks... by the way... Rhino IS the best Re-issue label with all their complete licensing of copyrights,etc. from many labels into an overview of a career into 1 or 2 cds or 1 box set... imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tybalt Posted June 25, 2004 Report Share Posted June 25, 2004 The late Ernest Kador, Jr. , "Emperor of the World", was a performer and club owner in New Orleans. His biggest record was Mother-In-Law (1961). See k-doe.com, the official website. I'm finding a lot of connections between artists (especially around the New Orleans music scene). Benny Spellman , indeed the originator of Fortune Teller (covered by the Rolling Stones), was a background vocalist on K-Doe's Mother-In-Law. Before that, he was with Huey "Piano" Smith and His Clowns [Don't You Just Know It, (Well I'll Be) John Brown, etc.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted June 26, 2004 Report Share Posted June 26, 2004 Sounds like I need to check out Johnny Otis. I'm a huge fan of '70s R&B, especially the uptempo stuff. My favorites are The Spinners, LTD, Bill Withers and Earth, Wind & Fire. Once we get into the '80s, I really like Jodeci and Mint Condition. The R&B I hear on the radio these days doesn't do it for me. It seems whiny and contrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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