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2004 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductees

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So I pose the question, Rush and Kiss have not been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame yet.

Will they be? I don't know why Kiss has not been, I believe I know why Rush has not been (read this) Rush and Kiss are tide with 23 consecutive gold records (over 500,000 in sales) for 3rd place behind the Beatles (1st) and the Stones (2nd) and both of them are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hey not that it really matters, I mean it's fans, sales, and great music that really matters right. It just makes you sort of wonder what they are thinking.

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Floyd: What a great link! You have me angry with Rolling Stones Magazine over this issue, and I intend to follow up with them on the subject.

People viewing: Please follow up on this subject! Even if your not fond of either of the groups Rush, or Kiss, I think you would have to admit that they are formidable bands diserving of their place in history. Furthermore, I believe most people want to see fair play when it comes to "The Rock-N-Roll Hall of Fame". I think you'd agree that Hall of Fame represents music culture and history, and that you'd like it to be accurate!

I've never really been a Kiss fan, but they do diserve a place in the Hall of Fame. I am a very loyal Rush fan, and am thinking where is Rolling Stones Magazines head at? Only the greatest Canadian band in history, {(Argueably the greatest band period), (in their genre)}.

I have to give this string a great review, Floyd hit on a very worth while point. Good on you Floyd! Thanks and forgiveness are next to Godliness! Thanks, CHAFF. :coolio:

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Mike:

For the same senseless reason that David Gilmour was somewhere near the bottom of the Rolling Stone 100 Greatest Guitarists list. People weren't happy at all about that...remember?

I just read your link! This is an amazing band that deserves the ultimate honor and recognition for their accomplishments! RS doesn't like them so they won't be inducted? It is a damned shame ::!

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Sorry to rock the boat, but its not true that Rush are popular with everyone!. Personally, I find them very dull and the singer's voice ( I don't even know his name) is too shrill to be listenable without laughing at him. They remind me of Queen at their over-blown worst, and I'm no fan of theirs either.

I know they have a big fan base in Canada & the US, but over here they barely register on the radar. Thankfully.

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Personally, I find them very dull and the singer's voice ( I don't even know his name) is too shrill to be listenable without laughing at him. They remind me of Queen at their over-blown worst, and I'm no fan of theirs either.

I know they have a big fan base in Canada & the US, but over here they barely register on the radar. Thankfully.

Hey Denmark, I respect your opinion. Not everybodys like any band. (By the way, Geddy Lee is the singer) Kiss and Rush seem to have "cult" followings and incredibly loyal fans. Sales should count for something though... don't you think? Oh yeah, another tid-bit on their first and only trip to Brazil they sold out to their LARGEST audience ever in 30 years and a many tours (60,000 in San Paulo) and then 40,000 in Rio (100,000!!!) Just a note.

Rock on! :guitar:

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I see huge differences between Rush and Kiss, but I think they should both be in. Here's why:

Kiss-

They're famous. That's why they belong in the Hall of Fame. You can criticize their music all you want, but everyone knows who they are and what they do. You can look at Nolan Ryan's stats and say he wasn't the greatest pitcher, but the guy had the stuff of legends. As years go by, the legend grows because he was famous. A baseball hall of fame needs Nolan Ryan, a music hall of fame needs Kiss.

Rush-

This one is much more questionable than Kiss, but Rush should be in because of quality and consistency. I'm not a drumming aficionado, but every drummer I've asked lists Neil Peart in their Top 5. Geddy and Alex also have remarkable talent. Rush is more like Don Sutton, a funny looking hall of fame pitcher who won at least 15 games every year. You could count on him to deliver a strong performance, even if you might not pay money to see him. I didn't know Rolling Stone was so far up the Rock Hall's atrium. I'd like to learn the details.

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I'm not certain that sales should be taken into account as a criteria for inclusion in the Hall of Fame. Its logical that big, popular acts will sell in large quantities, but we can all think of plenty of artistically worthless acts who move big money and shift product by the truckload. The charts are consistently full of these people, most of who are forgotten within six months!

Similarly , there are many truly great musicians who don't ever achieve anything more than a cult following, and therefore never sell many records.

But you are quite right that, in the end, it doesn't really matter much if someone is in the Hall of Fame or not. The place is run strictly as a commercial enterprise, so its not as if inclusion bestows some sort of universal musical approval; its all just subjective opinions.

At least it provides one good reason to visit Cleveland!

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Denmark, I'll probably here about this reply, but why would the Rock-N-Roll Hall of fame be enough to entice anyone to Cleveland? I had hoped when the battle was going on between several host cities, that Cleveland would not get it. In actuality, I believed it should be in L.A. because of the number of record companies. But, this is one point I believe you would disagree with, the commercialism of the L.A. record industry. I believe, and set me straight if I am wrong, that the Rock-N-Roll Hall of fame landed upon Cleveland because of Alan Frieds shows that originated in that city some 45+ years ago? Might be the right reasons, but the fact remains that Rock and Roll diserves a history museum that reflects accurately those who have impacted the music so well that they need to have a spot in the museum. Rush, and Kiss have certainly made their mark even if you or others don't like them. I would give credit where it is due, even if I did'nt like a particular band or artist. I don't particulary care for Little Richard, but agree with his induction. Thanks, CHAFF.

p.s. Richard; Don't you think Rock-N-Roll diserves a home of some kind, or does it slip away from future memories and die? I'm not saying that the officials that are in charge are not corrupt, I agree that they are. I'm saying that let us music lovers get on the band wagon and route the bastages out of it so they can no longer polute it. Thanks, CHAFF.

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I am a fan of Rush, but not a die hard fan; however, that Rolling Stone can be the "striking hammer of God" based on personal dislikes of a specific band - it really puts a foul, corrupt, Enron, Worldwide, Martha Stewart spin on things. It isn't ethical ::.

If even one member of Rush could be inducted, should Rolling Stone deem it to be their royal liking, I would have to say Neil Peart. The man is a phenom - he's unparalleled!

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Not that I'm an expert but if any two bands should be inducted it's Rush and Kiss. Rush for their poetic, original approach (2112 my fav) and the amazing abilities they have on stage with only three. And yes, as Catherine (the late night rock lobster...lol) said, Neil is the drummer's drummer.

Kiss, if for no other reason, should be inducted for their brilliant stage shows and presence. They make it look easy.

Since we're on the subject of Hall of Fame inductees, I thought I'd give an honorable mention to the Man in Black. He was inducted into the country music Hall of Fame and the rock and roll Hall of Fame. There was only one other performer to do this, Elvis Presley.

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Just a quick defense of The Rock Hall and the city of Cleveland.

If you love music and are looking for a good, low cost, low maintenance trip, Cleveland is your town. The Rock Hall is great, and Cleveland has a lot to offer with wonderful people and lots to do.

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I would definitely love to go to The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame; it would be worth the trip from here -- even by car. I just think that Rolling Stone is of questionable character for allowing personal dislikes to rule over what should actually be ::.

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I have put a lot of thought into this before replying. Mike makes some excellent points. Here's my outlook on it. I don't believe an induction into the hall of fame actually means anything. Like Catherine says, there are a lot of political / money-based / nepotism style factors that go into an induction. But here is the thing. I could tell Mike every day for the rest of my life that Rush sucks (not my opinion, I am speaking hypothetically). To MIKE, it wouldn't mean a damn thing. He loves them, crazy about them, buys the DVD's, CD's and concert tickets no matter their standing in the Hall Of Fame. Same with me and Kiss. Wish I had a buck for every time someone told me how much Kiss sucked. I love them, crass commercialism aside. I have spent a Denver mint on the comic books, belt buckles, lunch boxes, cd's, t-shirts, concert tickets, albums, DVD's, on and on. And they aren't in the Hall Of Fame! To the fan of either band, or any other band that isn't in there, it doesn't really matter. They make music, you love them, and so it goes. A friend of mine went to the Hall of Fame last year. I asked him what he thought. He said the place was ok, but run by Nazi's. No pictures, and everything was antiseptic, sterile. He made the point that it was 'anti-rock and roll'. Rock and Roll isn't s'posed to be like that. It's about freedom, being a wild spirit, ripping off, being ripped off, rebellion. I think he was just bummed you couldn't take pictures. I mean.... Not being able to photograph Ramones memorabilia? What's up with that? Ramones were ABOUT flying in the face of authority. The Sex Pistols were ABOUT rebellion. So, I don't think an induction means really, anything. The White Stripes were pretty popular a short while back. Let's see if they enjoy the same/greater popularity 30+ years from now like Kiss / Rush does. THAT is the only *real* mark of fame.

See you soon friends.

Ken.

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