Farin Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I do indeed, it's a good movie too (German title: "Die fetten Jahre sind vorbei", look it up) I don't remember that quote being in it, but did they really translate it with "liberal"? Because the German variant of that saying is talking about "communists" But I guess in regards of the political spectrum, or the political ideals (of "big" vs "small" government, eg) you can't really compare the USA with Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel2Velvet Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Just so, Martin. That is why I cringe when people point to the German model of health care, as if this is what will transpire in the USA with a centralized system. Apples to oranges. Sheer population numbers, distances, social attitudes and many more factors preclude an accurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRaccoon Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 That's what the translation said I watched said. Could've been misinterpreted though I guess. I watched it in a German class I was in. We also determined that Daniel Brühl must be the only actor in Germany because he is in everything. Granted, all we watched was "The Edukators" and "Goodbye Lenin" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farin Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I'm not saying that it's a wrong translation, just something I noticed... and yeah, he's in Inglorious Basterds too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanAm Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Unfettered and unregulated capitalism is just as bad as rampant socialism. VIRTUALLY every socialist experiment throughtout history has been an abject failure. At the same time, the current global financial crisis has been caused by unregulated capitalism (thank-you Bill Clinton and George W. Bush)and governments living way beyond their means for too many years. In Canada we move from one political extreme (Liberals who behave more like socialists) to another (Conservatives.....in name only). Liberal governments in Canada behave as if they rule by divine right. They've never seen a tax they don't like and they believe in a transfer of wealth....from the creative and hardworking members of society to every speecial interest group and hanger on imaginable. They believe in omnipresent and intrusive government and the bloated civil service enjoys perks and privileges (gold-plated pensions and generous salaries) not enjoyed by anyone else in the country. Meanwhile, the Conservatives who, ostensibly, believe in smaller government, have created the largest civil service in our nation's history. They believe in corporate welfare (the process whereby government chooses which businesses survive and which ones fail) as evidenced by their taxpayer-funded bailout of two private and incredibly badly managed companies (GM and Chrysler). They have watered down our environmental regulations and cut funding for programs to assist everyone from our military veterans to people with mental health issues. I believe that most people who belong to the silent majority reside near the middle of the political spectrum. They reject the tax and spend policies of the left and do not believe that government can or should be involved in every aspect of our lives. At the same time they care about the environment, social justice and believe that government should enact policies that help and protect the most vulnerable in our societies. In America and, indeed in many countries, politics has become incredibly polarized. The "You're either with us or against us" mentality has become pervasive at both political extremes. We need moderates in politics to become more assertive and take control of policy making and political discourse. As for S2V's attitude toward inherited wealth, that is a belief I find obscene! If I work hard all my life and pay my taxes, I should bloody well be free to leave whatever I have to my children....TAX FREE. Not that my wife and I will have a huge estate, but we have set things up so that we will have to give as little to the government (or in our case governments since my wife is a US citizen) as possible. I willingly pay taxes all my life, but I bitterly resent having MY assets taxed upon my death. US Estate Taxes are an abomination. Edited March 10, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) I'm not saying that it's a wrong translation, just something I noticed... and yeah, he's in Inglorious Basterds too Go to hell ,Farin . There is no point ; nor worth , but I have missed saying that to you, buddy ! Edited March 10, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Santo and the Christian Taliban have been winning primaries in the south... jesus f****** christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkstones Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Yeah well, the good thing is I don't think the Unapologetic Theocrat is going to have an easy time of it convincing moderates and independents to vote for him, should he best Romneybot for the nomination. His anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-anyone who-isn't-a white-Christian-male stance isn't going to play well in places where most people don't give a damn what religion/race/gender you are. Then again, this electorate did vote for Bush twice. So what I'm saying is, VOTE. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE. DON'T STAY HOME AND SCRATCH YOUR BALLS, VOTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 DON'T STAY HOME AND SCRATCH YOUR BALLS or, for lack of personal possession, someone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkstones Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 That too. I don't care if you show up wearing your pajamas eating a breakfast burrito. Vote. There is no excuse for not voting. Most states have early voting, there's absentee ballots...very little impedes people anymore from showing up and voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Except where the Republicans (like in PA) are trying to pass a law requiring voters to have photo ID. Hmmmm, wonder who that will discourage or eliminate from votong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel2Velvet Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Except where the Republicans (like in PA) are trying to pass a law requiring voters to have photo ID. Hmmmm, wonder who that will discourage or eliminate from votong. Oh, call on me, me! Is the answer, people who can't get a photo ID? Don't you need one of those to buy beer in Pennsylvania? Here, everyone has to have one all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzor Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Photo ID to buy beer? Good lord!! What kind of sadistic state is that? Around here most vendors take your word for it (unless you look 12 yrs old) Then again, we drink at 18 legally (19 in some loser provinces like Ontario) I have no photo ID and have always been allowed to vote... that would be wrong. So long as u can prove citizenship then u should be able to vote. Does your social security card have photo ID? Ours doesn't but it'll get us into the voters box. What about Visa's? I don't know what those things entail for immigrants, but if they have one they should be able to vote. jmho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkstones Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Except where the Republicans (like in PA) are trying to pass a law requiring voters to have photo ID. Hmmmm, wonder who that will discourage or eliminate from votong. This is the crux of the issue for me: As I understand it, most states do not offer state ID cards free of charge. Meaning, one needs to go to the DMV with all necessary documentation, which some people may not have, and buy them. Putting laws on the books requiring people to present a state ID in order to vote is no different than a poll tax, if the state ID is not provided to anyone who wants one at no cost to them. The purpose of this isn't to prevent non-citizens from voting, it's to disenfranchise certain groups of voters by making the hoops they have to jump through in order to vote, difficult if not impossible to get through. It's not a problem showing identification to vote. I would support this.....IF THEY WERE FREE IN EVERY STATE. As long as they're not, I do not support it. People shouldn't have to pay to vote. Even if it's to a third party like the DMV, no money should exchange hands for the privilege of casting a ballot in this country, whether you're voting for your town's dog catcher or the President of the United States. That's what is wrong with this. Not the idea of presenting ID to vote, but the idea that said ID must be paid for before you can vote. Now, in North Carolina, all I have to do is show my voter registration card, but in Illinois and Georgia, I had to present both my ID and my voter registration card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkstones Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I have no photo ID and have always been allowed to vote... that would be wrong. So long as u can prove citizenship then u should be able to vote. Does your social security card have photo ID? Ours doesn't but it'll get us into the voters box. What about Visa's? I don't know what those things entail for immigrants, but if they have one they should be able to vote. jmho Our social security cards do not have photos on them, no. Passports have photos on them, and I believe they can be used as your valid photo ID in states that require them to vote, but I don't know. I can't imagine not having a photo ID, honestly. You need one to do everything from apply for a job or government benefits (if you need them), to buying alcohol/lottery tickets/cigarettes/porn/firearms. I think the US should have a national ID card system, provided to all citizens for absolutely no money. Obviously, if you have a driver's license you won't need this card, as your license is a valid form of photo ID, but for those that don't drive, it would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Oh, call on me, me! Is the answer, people who can't get a photo ID? Don't you need one of those to buy beer in Pennsylvania? Here, everyone has to have one all the time. Student IDs, bus pass IDs, work ID tags, and probably even birth certificates are not allowed forms of ID according to these repiglicans. You have to have the specific kind of ID they request, which costs money and people have to go to a DMV to obtain it. The Jim Crow poll tax is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Okay, now santo and the christian taliban have made this personal! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-wants-ban-hardcore-pornography-222833811.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawna Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 just an aside here... I watched "Game Change" last night on HBO. Whether you liked the McCain/Palin campaign pairing or didn't, Julianne Moore is mesmerizing as Sarah Palin. She captures her so dead-on I swore it was the real thing. And I don't know how factual it was, but holy moses and jesus on toast if if was even toeing the line, that was a more scary time in American history than I ever imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkstones Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 According to a McCain staffer, it was factual enough to make him squirm, using his words. Just remember, John McCain was old, had a history of health problems, and still suffered from the effects of being a POW during the Vietnam war. Had something happened to him, where he was for whatever reason, unable to fulfill his duties as President, SARAH PALIN WOULD HAVE BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. If that doesn't send a cold chill down your spine, you're not human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyRaccoon Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I think John McCain would've made a pretty good president. However I completely disagreed with picking Palin as a vice president. She's an idiot. I think after Clinton, a McCain/Lieberman ticket would've been perfect. Bush was hardcore conservative, Gore was hardcore liberal, I think a nice middle-of-the-road ticket like McCain/Lieberman would've worked nicely. Or at least, I would've liked it. I'm sure there are a lot of wacko republicans and wacko democrats that would've been upset that the two of them weren't conservative/liberal enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I could never vote for lieberman, unless he supports de-funding the terrorist, apartheid state of israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 McCain chose Palin. 'Nuff said. As for who will be less likely to vote due to a Photo ID requirement? I'm betting it'll be an overwhelming majority of black voters...such as those who turned out in record numbers to vote for Obama in '08. Or...let's just pretend that's not the aim of the bill's sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel2Velvet Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I suppose the Democrats could always counter by placing surly Black Panther members, ostensibly as security, in front of polling locations. Naw, they wouldn't do that. Just gotta love the veils pinned in place that keep the people off of career politician's turf, like it is an exclusive club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkstones Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 McCain chose Palin. 'Nuff said. As for who will be less likely to vote due to a Photo ID requirement? I'm betting it'll be an overwhelming majority of black voters...such as those who turned out in record numbers to vote for Obama in '08. Or...let's just pretend that's not the aim of the bill's sponsors. It's not just blacks the GOP want to disenfranchise. It's anyone who'd want to vote Democratic. It's mostly aimed at making voting hard for the poor and the indigent; people who would be unable to come up with the money for the ID or the proper documents required to get it, even if they had the money. Also, blacks have historically voted overwhelmingly Democratic since 1964. I mean, well over 95%. So Obama's race might have made a few more people vote for him than otherwise wouldn't have, but he could have been lily white and still gotten the same support from the black community. I mean, John Kerry is practically translucent and got 94%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 I suppose the Democrats could always counter by placing surly Black Panther members, ostensibly as security, in front of polling locations. Naw, they wouldn't do that. Just gotta love the veils pinned in place that keep the people off of career politician's turf, like it is an exclusive club. Republicans did just that in local Santa Ana elections - they'd place their own surly private guards and intimidate latino voters at the voting polls. You'd think this was 1930s Orange County (deeply-rooted in KKK/segregationist history), but this was in the '90s http://articles.latimes.com/1990-12-09/local/me-8780_1_curt-pringle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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