Steel2Velvet Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 This news story which reports the most aggressive Hamas militant incursion into Israel since 2005, couldn't come at a worse time for former U.S. president Jimmy Carter. In a highly coordinated attack, Hamas seems to be saying, "We now have the endorsement of a U.S. president to fulfill our agenda," on the heels of the highest level of talks yet by Hamas' PM and D.PM. While I applaud his root desire to see peace come to that region of the world, I am baffled that Mr. Carter felt he could personally unlock the hearts of Israel's most profound enemy and persuade them to somehow give up on their stated intention of Israel's destruction, merely by appearing to endorse their political standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 There's nothing baffling about this. Hamas fights israel terrorists the way we fight radical islamic terrorists. Israel is a terrorist state... they just happen to have US support because they have a powerful lobby in our congress. So long as the Palestinians don't have the rights to the land that was stolen from them, there's not going to be any peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Ron, I think Jimmy was trying to plant the same kiss of death on Hamas that he planted on Sadat. It didn't take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberjudge Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 You may be bitter, but your facts are all wrong. Israel was granted independence by England in 1947. Any land it has gained since its initial borders were all won after wars which Israel's Arab neighbors started in an attempt to annihilate her. Israel has no less right to these areas than the US does to lands it acquired in the War of 1812 and the Mexican War. It is a credit to Israel that it is willing to discuss creating a Palestinian homeland out of these areas in the hope that this will bring peace to the region. . . . But as long as Hamas is not willing to accept Israel's right to existence, how can Israel agree to accept Palestine's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 lol @ your "facts." I guess there are no world maps prior to the invention of israel. Palestine has been "Palestine" since the times of ancient Rome, son. Prior to israel's "independence," it's a well-known fact that it was the radical zionists who were the ones doing the terrorising in order to take land that wasn't theirs... actually, that is still true to this date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberjudge Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 FYI. Israel was Israel since the days of the Old Testament (you might want to read it if you have any doubts), until it was conquered by Rome in 70 A.D. And the Palestinians have been terrorizing Israel, a country legally created by English mandate, to obtain land which at present time they do not legally have a right to. I would love to see a treaty that would allow an independent Palestinian state to be created. But the new state must also recognize Israel's right to exist, both at the time of the treaty and for all generations thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thanks for pointing out the obvious. So, uuuh, what's your point? That thousands of years of Palestinian history are turn to nil because of some foreign "mandate"? Jesus hahaha. You are aware that the same people have been living there to those same times that you are referring to, right? It's not as if the Romans moved Palestinians into Palestine in 70 A.D. "Oh, hey, China and Swaziland decided your home is now to be given to the Iroquois. Now, get movin'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Check out what Noam Chomsky says on some of these matters: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 I love this clip Lebanese-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombre Vivante Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 ... and if you think israel has good intentions towards us, think again: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/27/fbi.spy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Just a reminder here. There's nothing wrong with healthy, lively debate. I rather enjoy it. Just remember to keep it civil...as it has been so far. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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