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And of course Brian Jones gets no love... That's like lovin' Floyd but not Barrett.

With all the plan-9 love, I assume you've all seen Ed Wood? Love that movie. I just got back from the cheap theater, saw Step-Brothers Frakkin' hillarious. I traveled 500 miles to give you my seed! and FYI, if anyone here misbehaves, I'm gonna rub my nutsack on their drumkit.

I dunno, If I had to choose the 'greatest' film speech, I'd have to pick any one of Peter Finch's from Network. He remains the only actor to grab a best actor trophy posthumously here's one of my favorites.

More popular to the masses, probably but who do you think was more popular to the people picking up instruments?

The Ramones' first album was awesome, but they really weren't that important The Stooges and MC5 definitely pre-date the Ramone's and were infinitely more 'punk' And as far as Ramones' contemporaries go, the Manchester scene was far more innovative and expansive, and if we take the term contemporaries to a more historical sense (in classical music, you can be a composer's 'contemporary' if you wrote within like 30 years of them) then the NY scene just a couple years after the Ramones is far more interesting The no-wave scene took an 'ethos' from punk rock but created an entire new way of playing music. Which of course was led by Sonic Youth, a band that was far more talented, and more productive than any of those quick to burn out 'punk' bands, in fact SY released a killer disc not much longer than a year ago. Tho, I'll admit, Sonic Youth is one of those bands that you have to be open to all musical genre to really appreciate.

Well a lot of times chord progressions are just results of formulas and old progressions used before them, Melody and harmony gets into creative ground. Tho sometimes an artist will come along and come up with a new progression, a new way of putting notes together. So the 'why' most of the time is to build off an existing system, but sometimes it's to go against the system. Now, there's no greater artistic merit in creating a new progression, coming up with progressions based on old theories requires a lot of talent and skill, especially if you pop some key changes in there.

There are loads of different Linux builds And Ubuntu, has absolutely no learning curve, it's all desktop base, and requires no computer language/programming. XP might have been paid for, but it's a pile, and will more than likely be crushed by a virus, or used in a spybot network. and you can dual boot, by partioning your harddrive and running xp on half and linux on the other, to experiment, and use windows programs you need.

Yeah, but an old mac will be slow and crappy, and unable to run lots of programs. Whereas linux is kept up to date, and runs lots of programs, a lot of the time faster and safer than windows or mac. And I can venture anywhere on the interwebs and not worry about a thing. For serious, Linux is the best virus protection.

http://nymag.com/news/features/32388/index4.html This is one of the most interesting stories I've ever read, it's really well written, and the story is...fascinating You have all these art-types duking it out on the streets, and everyone has a different point of view, but you can totally see what they mean...and wind up agreeing with everyone. That's why art's awesome.

Linux.

You know that composers back in the day, like Beethoven, Handel, Brahms, etc. Liked to use their contemporaries melodies and play around with them, develop variations on their themes, right? And that it's not like they take a dart to a board filled with different names of songs and wherever that dart lands, that's their sample. It takes an ear, it takes know-how, to match a sample to a beat. And lastly, I'm pretty sure that 'Gold Digger' has Jamie Foxx (a friend of West) singing the Ray Charles hook, so that makes it a cover, not a sample.

Isn't that the name of the album too? I've heard good things about it.

well since it holds a lot of water... a bucket I suppose?

OOOOOOOO shoegaze The huge textures, the constantly moving lines, with those "I barely care" vocals. AND LOADS OF REVERB/DELAY yes!

How's your descent into Bill Hicks land going? If you're goin' down this path (which can be fun...for a tiny bit of time) have you read Phillip K Dick yet? Starting with his pure sci-fi is definitely recommended, The Man in the High Castle, Scanner Darkly, Do Electric Androids Dream of Sheep? -they're all wonderful books but if you want to go for the full on head trip right away, hit up VALIS. This, of course, is not a direct response to your topic, but instead a kind of overall reaction to some of your recent posting.

I love all sorts of music cuz there's nothin'... I don't like crisis or a boring shame? but, out of the symphonies, the jazz, blues (authentic, not whiteguy) early Rockabilly, 60s stuff, psychedelic, and all that have you. I mean, I really love all sorts of music. A lot. My favorite, the one that 'speaks' to me the most, is well thought out, well written punk-rock. something about the urgency, the speed, it's appealing. Like today, I listened to the Dead Kennedy's discography, all the way thru, and the franticness of all of it, the American 'Hardcore' sound, but without the screaming, and the melodies that can't be heard but with well spoken lyrics, and melodies right out there, but with a punch. Perfect. And then, all the post-hardcore stuff of the 90s, with that little bit of punk infused into it, Pavement, Built to Spill, Modest Mouse, I listen to them, and I dunno, it feels like it's... mine... ya know?

Nice A universal one, that connects all of us I would disagree that not everyone can understand it, some people might just be 'closed' to it, but we all have the capability to understand. But it's so great that you can sometimes 'hear' it, Tchaikovsky's phrases, the cries of Roma Gypsy music, it's great.

do it, discuss music, for reply after reply. It seems to be lacking. Tho, I am truly fascinated by the prospect of hearing everyone's top 10 cocaine songs. Or their top ten favorite right handed bass players. What about music do you enjoy, is it the melodies, the harmonies, clever scale modulations? What is it about actual music, musicians, musicianship that brings you joy? Or is it all about lists? Lists and faves.

Kickball They're totally awesome and totally unknown. I bet they'd do an interview. They're still in the "We are in awe of every scrap of publicity we receive" stage. myspace page= http://www.myspace.com/kickballl

His major talents lie in violin guitar and whistling and that video was when he was still writing the new album I saw him a couple of months ago and he was absolutely top-notch in the vocal department.

Tho I'm betting if you're digging that sound, Fiery Crash and Plasticities are gonna be your faves. I'm a sucker for Armchairs, it's nice'n'jazzy

While I could see his voice as being 'new waveish' I'd say his music, and arrangements are a bit more complex, and 'symphonic' Then there's his gypsy stuff (Which is awesome!) that isn't quite as prevalent (unfortunately) in the new disc, that is definitely not new wave at all. Anyway, I'm happy I could get someone interested.

and his latest Armchair Apocrypha is my personal fave, and I believe it's his best. I can listen thru it over and over without skipping a single track.

From Chicago.

Your totally missing the point Toni it's not youre song we're talking about because it suxorz.