Bitter Almonds
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 11-08-09 10:28 AM - Post#591537
In response to Farin
I could sure use the women, money, fame/praise/recognition, and tax-exempt status that would come with leading a cult of atheists, though (the way all other cults do) 
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11-08-09 10:34 AM - Post#591540
In response to Farin
Zoroastrianism is my favourite but no one ever, ever pays attention that  it's a monopoly of christians and atheists I tells you 
one shouldn't forget that there's no such thing as an "International Organization of Atheists" though
often it seems people think "Atheism" is a religion where the people just don't believe in a god...
Yeah but I don't see atheists bashing Zoroastrianism. (Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster - for shame, atheists)
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11-08-09 10:34 AM - Post#591541
In response to Bitter Almonds
but it doesn't make any sense...
it would be like doing a "Non-Philatelists Convention"
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11-08-09 10:40 AM - Post#591544
In response to Farin
But no one calls themselves a 'non-philatelist' and adopts the term as a part of their identity the same way as 'atheist' - an atheist convention is perfectly feasible. Someone did try to organise one, I remember reading.
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Farin
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11-08-09 10:43 AM - Post#591545
In response to Levis
well, the only thing I can say is I wouldn't participate in one 
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11-08-09 10:44 AM - Post#591546
In response to Farin
Being an atheist 
(would you call yourself a non-philatelist?)
(also, what's your take on Zoroastrianism?)
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11-08-09 10:52 AM - Post#591551
In response to Levis
wHAT ABOUT THE cHURCH OF THE sUBGENIUS?
http://www.subgenius.com/
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11-08-09 11:07 AM - Post#591559
In response to Levis
Being an atheist
(would you call yourself a non-philatelist?)
(also, what's your take on Zoroastrianism?)
if I were to be asked for my religion, I would say "none"
(but granted, I probably wouldn't deny being an atheist)
nope, only "not a philatelist", but that's the point, no?
I haven't reached Nietzsche, but in general I'm not really a fan of theistic worldviews...
of course some parts of their philosophy might be cool, but the same goes for most other religions as well (eg "be nice to each other")
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Bitter Almonds
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11-08-09 11:22 AM - Post#591562
In response to Farin
I only refer to myself as an "atheist" to mean a variety of other things that most religious people wouldn't understand. I could just as easily say, "I'm more akin to a Animist" to which they'd seem puzzled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism
The difference being that I don't pray to or worship anything, or have any particular rituals for it, nor do I have faith that anything was "created" or that there is a "creator" (actually, it's a fact that none of this was created), and instead of using the words "soul" and "spirit" I use "energy." It's much easier to just blurt out "atheist" or "I don't believe in it"
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11-08-09 11:32 AM - Post#591563
In response to Bitter Almonds
That makes sense. In India, you'd probably better understood if you said you believed in animism, rather than claiming to be an atheist which is unheard of (and nearly impossible to achieve). Jainism has a similar principle (all living things have souls). There's another religion I like. It's like Buddhism, but I like it more.
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Bitter Almonds
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11-08-09 11:44 AM - Post#591570
In response to Levis
I have a much easier time believing in the particle-waves that make up the atoms of every thing around me, that energy only changes form and goes on for ever. Energy is all-fair/rational, non-judgmental, unbending in its nature, and unambiguous.
The only spirits I truly believe in are the sugar cane and wine spirits... good times
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11-08-09 12:24 PM - Post#591585
In response to Bitter Almonds
Oh - we share molecules with dinosaurs! I think.
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11-08-09 12:27 PM - Post#591587
In response to Levis
And the stars. In fact, we are quite literally made of stardust, as the heavier molecules that make up us and our surroundings come from nebulae formed in the aftermath of supernovas. If that doesn't fill you with a profound sense of awe, I don't know what will.
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11-08-09 12:37 PM - Post#591593
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 the song by Moby, I thought it was just an annoying earworm!
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11-08-09 10:45 PM - Post#591643
In response to Levis
My God is a God of mercy. I often wonder how much of the Old Testament is to be taken literally. Of course, that's why there's so many different Christian Religions; people interpret it differently.
The New Testament Gospels show a Loving God who sent the message of 'do unto others as you'd like be dealt with' via His Son, Jesus. That's what Christianity is all about, or should be.
God (whatever you perceive Him to be) Bless all of you.
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Bitter Almonds
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11-09-09 01:13 AM - Post#591669
In response to OLD 55
Even if it were to all be in a figurative sense, it'd be pretty hard to accept the idea of sacrificing a loved one for the sake of having to prove myself to God. And this isn't something that's just expressed in The Old Testament. If you read "The Book Of Matthew," you'll also note a similar message whereby Jesus stated that he "did not come to bring peace, but a sword" and that he too looks for obedience and devotion, lest you'd seek to be cast away from God's grace for loving family more than Christ Jesus.
The message I got from xtian mythology was that of blind, unquestioning obedience to God and Jesus in spite of one's own nature... and that we have no choice/say/free will in the matter.
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11-09-09 01:36 AM - Post#591672
In response to Bitter Almonds
You're much better read than I am, BA. There's not many Bible passages that I could quote, and I'm not familiar with the one that you have. I would like to see it in it's full text before commenting. Also I don't know what xtian mythology is.
I do know there's many beautiful passages too in the Gospels, however.
And I believe in a loving, rather than a vengeful God.
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11-09-09 04:53 AM - Post#591681
In response to Levis
Yeah but I don't see atheists bashing Zoroastrianism. (Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster - for shame, atheists)
Why would atheists stick the boot in on the Flying Spaghetti Monster: created as a satirical device, by atheists and/or scientific rationalists, to pour scorn on the concepts of Creationism / intelligent design?
The whole point of Pastafarianism, surely, is that the evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence is as firmly-based (or as spurious) as that for the god of Creationism, therefore it should have equal legitimacy to be taught in schools as part of the core curriculum.
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11-09-09 05:55 AM - Post#591683
In response to blind-fitter
Yes, but the monster/god has amassed its own little cult following and is nearly a real religion which means it should be disowned and bashed immediately.
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